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Jim
08-25-2003, 08:58 PM
Egosoft has released a demo movie of their upcoming Sim X2 The Threat . It's an impressive Demo/Movie showing the games features but best of all it has a nice benchmark built right into it. This Benchmark may prove useful to us as it really stretched my TI4600 to it's limits. Word of advice, don't enable Shadows and AntiAliasing unless you have a fine piece of hardware in your AGP Port. ;)

I ran a few quick benchies to see how it does:


220FSB = 73.57 FPS
235FSB = 75.169 FPS
250FSB = 77.43 FPS

TI4600 O'clocks

297/650 = 77.038 FPS
315/693 = 79.60 FPS
321/732 = 80.587 FPS
330/761 = Lock up :(

Download it here from Egosoft (http://www.egosoft.com/x/xmain.php?language=49&display=demo)
Don't worry, it comes down in English. :D

Ck it out and post your benchies here.
Hawk
08-26-2003, 04:12 AM
I'll give it a try when I get home from work today. . . . :beer:
ThugsRook
08-26-2003, 10:36 AM
this looks like it uses the Descent/Freespace engine and of course is DX9 supported. it takes a good 6-7 mins to run the benchmark and it does playback sounds and music too. (there is a check box for the "default" benchmark)

* NV ti4600 | Det 45.23 | DX9b

CPU OC
133fsb = 64.76 fps
167fsb = 72.49 fps
191fsb = 77.60 fps


CAS settings
2448 = 75.51 fps
2226 = 77.60 fps


GAT
disabled = 76.01 fps
enabled = 77.60 fps


Vid card OC
300x650 = 72.18 fps
320x725 = 77.60 fps


ill continue to use this benchmark til something better comes along :wave:

Professor ~ which vid drivers are you using?
RotorHead
08-26-2003, 12:48 PM
Thugs, looks like it scales pretty good with the FSB changes and memory tweaks. :cool:

RH
dbwillis
08-26-2003, 01:18 PM
I just DL'd it last night at home, hopefully Ill try it out tonight...
Hawk
08-26-2003, 01:29 PM
Ok, had a quick chance to run it.


233FSB on the 3.2C Gigamonster
1:1 Memory 2.5-3-3-6 (3700 Gold's)
BFG 5900 Ultra (Stock Settings)


233 fsb = 114.643 Fps


Looks like a mix of FreeSpace, Aquanox and ???
ThugsRook
08-26-2003, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Hawk
Looks like a mix of FreeSpace, Aquanox and ???
Descent3 ;)


nice score Hawk ~ my BFG 5900 should be here tomorrow :wave:
Hawk
08-26-2003, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by ThugsRook
Descent3 ;)


nice score Hawk ~ my BFG 5900 should be here tomorrow :wave:



Sweet. . . Did you also get the Ultra Version? ? ? ?
Paragon
08-26-2003, 02:04 PM
Intel D875PBZ
1 gig Mushkin PC 3500 Black 2,3,3,6
200 FSB, 2.8 C
ATI 9700 Pro stock

89.577 FPS
============================
208 DSB (As high as this puppy will go:cool: )

95.190 FPS
ThugsRook
08-26-2003, 03:53 PM
this is looking good guys :-)

its about time we got some nice DX9 stuff to benchmark so we can leave the older (DX7/8) stuff behind.

dont forget to try shadows enabled! looks way better (and should be on by default IMHO)

Hawk ~ no ultra, just a reg 5900.

:wave:
dbwillis
08-26-2003, 03:56 PM
Im sure Thugs will work the non ultra past ultra specs soon as he can...:wave:
Hawk
08-26-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by ThugsRook
this is looking good guys :-)

its about time we got some nice DX9 stuff to benchmark so we can leave the older (DX7/8) stuff behind.

dont forget to try shadows enabled! looks way better (and should be on by default IMHO)

Hawk ~ no ultra, just a reg 5900.

:wave:





Ok. . . .


Also, on my same setup as above, I get the following with

Automatic Quaility ON
Antialiasing ON
Bumpmaps ON
Shadows ON

233 Fsb = 63.815
Jim
08-26-2003, 05:45 PM
Excellent, glad it's workin' out. :) Thugs , I've got an EVGA FX5900 128MB coming too. I'll race ya. ;)
And I was using the 45.23 Nvidias. :wave:
dbwillis
08-27-2003, 06:35 AM
vid card @ 250x513 (defaults) = 47.7
vid card @ 290x590 (oc'd) = 54.1

These were the settings...

Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1280*1024*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: Off

System specific video settings:
Adapter name: NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X [NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4200 with AGP8X]
Vertex Shader: Hardware, version 1
Hardware T&L: Yes
Fog capabilities: W-fog Z-fog RangeFog Table(Pixel)Fog VertexFog


Maybe Ill try 1024x768...
eva2000
08-27-2003, 06:52 AM
interesting will give it a run soon :)
ThugsRook
08-27-2003, 03:26 PM
* NV FX5900 | Det 45.23 | DX9.0b

GF5900 400x850 = 84.5 fps
GF5900 Ultra 450x850 = 85.9 fps

OCed mem 450x950 = 86.8 fps
OCed core 480x950 = 88.4 fps

im still working on the OC.

:wave:
Jim
08-27-2003, 05:07 PM
Unboxing my eVGA 128MB 5900 card now. :deviltail
That's a pretty good O'clock you have going already ThugsRook , any extra cooling going on ? :D
ThugsRook
08-27-2003, 05:20 PM
nope, no extra cooling.
this card has the all copper "dual fan" (blue LEDs) cooler on it.

:wave:
oldfart
08-27-2003, 06:51 PM
Interesting bench

My setup in sig with the 9700P @ 340/350

Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: Off

System specific video settings:
Adapter name: RADEON 9700 PRO [RADEON 9700 PRO ]
Vertex Shader: Hardware, version 1
Hardware T&L: Yes
Fog capabilities: W-fog Z-fog RangeFog Table(Pixel)Fog VertexFog


Framerates
Scene 00 278.805 fps
Scene 01 153.996 fps
Scene 02 72.020 fps
Scene 03 53.916 fps
Scene 04 118.778 fps
Scene 05 84.232 fps
Scene 06 59.373 fps
Scene 07 102.559 fps
Scene 08 112.533 fps
Scene 09 102.612 fps
Scene 10 102.642 fps
Scene 11 88.437 fps
Scene 12 76.204 fps
Scene 13 81.754 fps
Scene 14 158.786 fps
Scene 15 119.974 fps
Scene 16 84.602 fps
Scene 17 126.838 fps
Scene 18 132.430 fps
Scene 19 41.713 fps
Scene 20 109.678 fps
Scene 21 92.614 fps
Scene 22 100.352 fps
Scene 23 143.275 fps
Scene 24 91.049 fps

Overall average framerate: 107.567 fps
oldfart
08-27-2003, 06:52 PM
With shadows on. Big performance hit!

Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: On

System specific video settings:
Adapter name: RADEON 9700 PRO [RADEON 9700 PRO ]
Vertex Shader: Hardware, version 1
Hardware T&L: Yes
Fog capabilities: W-fog Z-fog RangeFog Table(Pixel)Fog VertexFog


Framerates
Scene 00 236.516 fps
Scene 01 104.478 fps
Scene 02 68.086 fps
Scene 03 48.272 fps
Scene 04 34.144 fps
Scene 05 33.763 fps
Scene 06 19.986 fps
Scene 07 42.472 fps
Scene 08 86.935 fps
Scene 09 63.439 fps
Scene 10 58.369 fps
Scene 11 51.799 fps
Scene 12 50.990 fps
Scene 13 49.218 fps
Scene 14 65.189 fps
Scene 15 67.024 fps
Scene 16 43.486 fps
Scene 17 61.090 fps
Scene 18 85.627 fps
Scene 19 23.520 fps
Scene 20 46.642 fps
Scene 21 55.943 fps
Scene 22 41.717 fps
Scene 23 79.828 fps
Scene 24 70.404 fps

Overall average framerate: 63.558 fps
dbwillis
08-27-2003, 08:03 PM
Reran the test @ 1024x768

Framerates
Scene 00 156.330 fps
Scene 01 109.560 fps
Scene 02 42.224 fps
Scene 03 31.240 fps
Scene 04 73.881 fps
Scene 05 52.596 fps
Scene 06 36.177 fps
Scene 07 58.121 fps
Scene 08 66.183 fps
Scene 09 63.535 fps
Scene 10 68.481 fps
Scene 11 52.560 fps
Scene 12 56.976 fps
Scene 13 58.451 fps
Scene 14 85.125 fps
Scene 15 79.772 fps
Scene 16 48.475 fps
Scene 17 82.742 fps
Scene 18 83.874 fps
Scene 19 29.945 fps
Scene 20 57.993 fps
Scene 21 73.529 fps
Scene 22 64.586 fps
Scene 23 89.312 fps
Scene 24 53.253 fps

Overall average framerate: 66.997 fps
dbwillis
08-27-2003, 08:19 PM
with the vid card @ 390x590

Framerates
Scene 00 172.495 fps
Scene 01 122.025 fps
Scene 02 48.677 fps
Scene 03 34.647 fps
Scene 04 82.759 fps
Scene 05 59.186 fps
Scene 06 41.001 fps
Scene 07 66.607 fps
Scene 08 74.872 fps
Scene 09 72.541 fps
Scene 10 68.877 fps
Scene 11 57.852 fps
Scene 12 57.708 fps
Scene 13 58.256 fps
Scene 14 95.804 fps
Scene 15 90.893 fps
Scene 16 55.813 fps
Scene 17 94.241 fps
Scene 18 93.995 fps
Scene 19 32.323 fps
Scene 20 66.850 fps
Scene 21 73.306 fps
Scene 22 73.541 fps
Scene 23 99.121 fps
Scene 24 59.522 fps

Overall average framerate: 74.116 fps
SupermanCK
08-28-2003, 07:46 AM
lol...i know u just got it...

just one question...how's the fan sound? loud...being 2 fans and all...
DAPUNISHER
08-28-2003, 09:28 AM
Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: On

System specific video settings:
Adapter name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra [NVIDIA GeForce FX 5800 Ultra]
Vertex Shader: Hardware, version 1
Hardware T&L: Yes
Fog capabilities: W-fog Z-fog RangeFog Table(Pixel)Fog VertexFog

System specific audio settings:
SecondarySampleRate (Min/Max): 100/48000
PrimaryBuffers: 1
MaxHwMixingBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 17/17/17
FreeHwMixingBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 0/0/0
MaxHw3DBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 17/17/17
FreeHw3DBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 0/0/0
HwMemBytes (Free/Total/MaxContigFree): 0/0/0
UnlockTransferRateHwBuffers: 0
PlayCpuOverheadSwBuffers: 0
Flags: CERTIFIED CONTINUOUSRATE PRIMARY16BIT PRIMARY8BIT PRIMARYMOMO PRIMARYSTEREO SECONDARY16BIT SECONDARY8BIT SECONDARYMONO SECONDARYSTEREO

Framerates
Scene 00 192.724 fps
Scene 01 59.966 fps
Scene 02 44.558 fps
Scene 03 22.717 fps
Scene 04 42.260 fps
Scene 05 28.812 fps
Scene 06 15.915 fps
Scene 07 35.771 fps
Scene 08 59.439 fps
Scene 09 48.749 fps
Scene 10 31.801 fps
Scene 11 31.850 fps
Scene 12 28.567 fps
Scene 13 30.933 fps
Scene 14 45.298 fps
Scene 15 41.905 fps
Scene 16 32.075 fps
Scene 17 58.228 fps
Scene 18 43.761 fps
Scene 19 12.549 fps
Scene 20 33.018 fps
Scene 21 38.030 fps
Scene 22 35.017 fps
Scene 23 47.267 fps
Scene 24 46.884 fps

Overall average framerate: 44.324 fps

I used AA&shadows and also have AA&AF set to 4x in display properties. Default 500/1000 clockspeeds.
ThugsRook
08-28-2003, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by SupermanCK
lol...i know u just got it...

just one question...how's the fan sound? loud...being 2 fans and all...
cant even hear the fans ~ very quiet, very nice stock cooler :-)
SupermanCK
08-28-2003, 08:50 PM
Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: On

System specific video settings:
Adapter name: RADEON 9700 PRO [RADEON 9700 PRO] 351core*688mem (Perf Setting)
Vertex Shader: Hardware, version 1
Hardware T&L: Yes
Fog capabilities: W-fog Z-fog RangeFog Table(Pixel)Fog VertexFog

System specific audio settings:
SecondarySampleRate (Min/Max): 4000/191999
PrimaryBuffers: 1
MaxHwMixingBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 32/32/32
FreeHwMixingBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 0/0/0
MaxHw3DBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 32/32/32
FreeHw3DBuffers (Static/Stream/All): 0/0/0
HwMemBytes (Free/Total/MaxContigFree): 0/0/0
UnlockTransferRateHwBuffers: 0
PlayCpuOverheadSwBuffers: 0
Flags: CERTIFIED CONTINUOUSRATE PRIMARY16BIT PRIMARY8BIT PRIMARYMOMO PRIMARYSTEREO SECONDARY16BIT SECONDARY8BIT SECONDARYMONO SECONDARYSTEREO

Framerates
Scene 00 232.133 fps
Scene 01 65.641 fps
Scene 02 72.089 fps
Scene 03 51.997 fps
Scene 04 34.828 fps
Scene 05 28.901 fps
Scene 06 16.543 fps
Scene 07 41.139 fps
Scene 08 74.858 fps
Scene 09 53.037 fps
Scene 10 39.174 fps
Scene 11 41.497 fps
Scene 12 34.981 fps
Scene 13 35.053 fps
Scene 14 62.874 fps
Scene 15 46.404 fps
Scene 16 43.478 fps
Scene 17 50.879 fps
Scene 18 51.082 fps
Scene 19 14.683 fps
Scene 20 45.033 fps
Scene 21 43.014 fps
Scene 22 35.719 fps
Scene 23 55.110 fps
Scene 24 51.818 fps

Overall average framerate: 52.879 fps
eva2000
08-29-2003, 10:16 AM
interesting benchmark

P4 2.8C @ 2814mhz (201FSB)
2x 512MB OCZ PC4000 Gold @201mhz 2.5-4-3-7 8 burst length
P4C800-E Deluxe 1010 bios with TURBO on
128MB Gigacube 9800 non-pro @450/666



X2 - The Threat

Executeable compiled Tue Aug 19 15:38:13 2003

Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: Off

System specific video settings:
Adapter name: RADEON 9800 PRO [RADEON 9800 PRO]
Vertex Shader: Hardware, version 1
Hardware T&L: Yes
Fog capabilities: W-fog Z-fog RangeFog Table(Pixel)Fog VertexFog


Framerates
Scene 00 367.560 fps
Scene 01 127.682 fps
Scene 02 106.680 fps
Scene 03 78.795 fps
Scene 04 94.989 fps
Scene 05 77.449 fps
Scene 06 55.752 fps
Scene 07 113.735 fps
Scene 08 130.310 fps
Scene 09 113.556 fps
Scene 10 87.204 fps
Scene 11 87.755 fps
Scene 12 67.919 fps
Scene 13 68.865 fps
Scene 14 183.860 fps
Scene 15 118.826 fps
Scene 16 105.078 fps
Scene 17 143.478 fps
Scene 18 112.452 fps
Scene 19 36.760 fps
Scene 20 122.201 fps
Scene 21 77.454 fps
Scene 22 98.616 fps
Scene 23 120.816 fps
Scene 24 87.159 fps

Overall average framerate: 111.398 fps


why does my 9800 non-pro say 9800PRO ???
oldfart
08-29-2003, 11:33 AM
P4 2.8C @ 2814mhz (201FSB)
WHOA! Congrats on the massive 1 FSB overclock!! :beer:
ThugsRook
08-29-2003, 11:47 AM
L :lol: L



* FX5900 | Det 45.23

default test = 89.0 fps
default test, 4xAA on = 83.1 fps
default test, shadows on = 64.4 fps

now i see where this card excells ...shadows :chit:
Schneider
08-29-2003, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by ThugsRook
L :lol: L



* FX5900 | Det 45.23

default test = 89.0 fps
default test, 4xAA on = 83.1 fps
default test, shadows on = 64.4 fps

now i see where this card excells ...shadows :chit:

Nice scores Only a 25fps drop when turning on shadows compared to the 9700pro's 45fps drop.

P4 2.4 @ 2.42 (202FSB)
1x 512MB KHX PC3500 @ 404DDR 2-3-2-7
8KNXP with Top Performance On
FX5600 | Det 44.67

Stock = Overall average framerate: 38.022 fps
370 / 680 = Overall average framerate: 43.545 fps

Maybe its time to try the 45.23 Det's ;)
ThugsRook
08-29-2003, 04:04 PM
hehe~
see i told you guys we should use shadows on as our default benchmark, cause it makes my card look so much better ;)

honestly, who plays games w/o shadows fully enabled these days anyways? :look:
Schneider
08-29-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by ThugsRook
hehe~
see i told you guys we should use shadows on as our default benchmark, cause it makes my card look so much better ;)
:lol:

A slight increase with the 45.23's :)
FX 5600 | 45.23

Stock = Overall average framerate: 40.294 fps
370/680 = Overall average framerate: 46.255 fps
eva2000
08-30-2003, 09:32 AM
here's some oc'd scores

2.8C@3632mhz
128MB Gigacube 9800NP
2x 512MB OCZ PC4000 Gold

stock test @452/666 = 127.566 fps (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/asus/p4c800e_results/2.8C_2/ocz/pc4000gold/2x512/259-259-2.5438-8-Turbo-1.75v/9800np_452-333_xperf.txt)

-========-

2.8C@3500hz
128MB Gigacube 9800NP
2x 512MB OCZ PC4000 Gold

Stock test @ 454/666 = 124.615 fps (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/asus/p4c800e_results/2.8C_2/ocz/pc4000gold/2x512/250-250-2.5437-8-Turbo-1.675v/9800np_454-333_xperf.txt)
Shadows On @ 454/666 = 73.842 fps (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/asus/p4c800e_results/2.8C_2/ocz/pc4000gold/2x512/250-250-2.5437-8-Turbo-1.675v/9800np_454-333_xperf_shadowON.txt)
Shadow On + AA On @ 454/666 = 63.728 fps (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/asus/p4c800e_results/2.8C_2/ocz/pc4000gold/2x512/250-250-2.5437-8-Turbo-1.675v/9800np_454-333_xperf_shadowON_AA.txt)
Shadow On + AA On + 4xAA, 16xAF @ 454/666 = 43.610 fps (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/asus/p4c800e_results/2.8C_2/ocz/pc4000gold/2x512/250-250-2.5437-8-Turbo-1.675v/9800np_454-333_xperf_shadowON_AA_max.txt)
Jim
09-09-2003, 05:58 PM
Another look at X2 (http://boomtown.net/en_uk/articles/art.view.php?id=1680) :yummy:
Schneider
09-26-2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by Schneider
:lol:

A slight increase with the 45.23's :)
FX 5600 | 45.23

Stock = Overall average framerate: 40.294 fps
370/680 = Overall average framerate: 46.255 fps

Ok i just intsalled the beta 51.75 drivers.
My frames went up like mad. Got a 17fps increase :yummy:

Stock: Overall average framerate: 57.215 fps

But since i wasn't actually at my comp when it was benchin i have no idea if theres a decrease in image quality.
ThugsRook
09-27-2003, 03:11 AM
i really think we should be benching this with shadows on. seems kinda silly not to concidering we are in DX9 land now.

what do you guys think?
SupermanCK
09-27-2003, 07:35 PM
cat 3.7 | win2000 sp4
2.7GHz | 167fsb | 445ddr 2.5337

Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: On

Adapter name: RADEON 9800 PRO [RADEON 9800 PRO] (415-730)

Overall average framerate: 57.928 fps
ThugsRook
09-27-2003, 07:54 PM
45.23 drivers | WinXP pro
3.4ghz 189fsb 378ddr c2622

Video Settings during test:
Screen Resolution: 1024*768*32
Bumpmapping: On
Realtime Shadows: On

Adapter name: BFG FX5900 (470x950)

Overall average framerate: 69.5 fps
dbwillis
09-27-2003, 08:39 PM
XP Pro?

189fsb?
ThugsRook
09-27-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by dbwillis
XP Pro?

189fsb?
yep

yep

:wave:


<EDIT> ill do some @ 195fsb in a bit....

<EDIT> 195 didnt do much better... shadows on = 70.1 fps
Schneider
09-28-2003, 12:26 AM
Update on Results

P4 @ 3.2Ghz | 51.75 | FX 5600@ stock = Overall average framerate: 62.898 fps
P4 @ 3.2Ghz | 51.75 | FX 5600@ 365/680 = Overall average framerate: 69.754 fps :yummy:
P4 @ 3.2Ghz | 51.75 | FX 5600@ stock | Shadows On= Overall average framerate: 36.860 fps
P4 @ 3.2Ghz | 51.75 | FX 5600@ 365/680|Shadows On= Overall average framerate: 41.928 fps :yummy:

LOL Shadows on and oc'ed gfx with the 51.75's is just as fast as my 45.23 gfx oc'ed with shadows off :p

These 51.75's seem to excel in aquamark 3, x2 and 3D Mark 03. In 01 they're slower though and everything else i can't be bothered checking :p Maybe Nvidia did fix the PS 2.0 problem a bit.

Hey thugs wat made u go from 98SE to XP??
Also if u guys haven't give 2003 Server a shot, it could be worth a try, as I reckon its faster and stabler than XP, but thats only my opinion.

Schneider :wave:
ThugsRook
09-28-2003, 12:41 AM
Hey Thugs what made u go from 98SE to XP??
HT testing ;)
dbwillis
09-29-2003, 07:48 AM
and what chip you got that has HT?:confused:
ThugsRook
09-29-2003, 10:38 AM
:deviltail
pointreyes
09-29-2003, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by ThugsRook
:deviltail

:lol:
XeoBllaze
12-11-2003, 10:39 PM
My rig all stock, default settings:

Framerates
Scene 00 290.334 fps
Scene 01 134.270 fps
Scene 02 80.570 fps
Scene 03 63.023 fps
Scene 04 112.688 fps
Scene 05 76.636 fps
Scene 06 56.437 fps
Scene 07 110.069 fps
Scene 08 118.971 fps
Scene 09 108.994 fps
Scene 10 84.202 fps
Scene 11 85.234 fps
Scene 12 69.949 fps
Scene 13 67.518 fps
Scene 14 168.197 fps
Scene 15 119.717 fps
Scene 16 90.829 fps
Scene 17 137.488 fps
Scene 18 112.973 fps
Scene 19 39.560 fps
Scene 20 117.728 fps
Scene 21 76.859 fps
Scene 22 95.970 fps
Scene 23 121.158 fps
Scene 24 83.082 fps

Overall average framerate: 104.898 fps
RotorHead
12-12-2003, 03:28 PM
Welcome to BE XeoBllaze :wave: Hope you enjoy the forums. :beer:

Nice Scores! :cool:

RH
XeoBllaze
12-13-2003, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by RotorHead
Welcome to BE XeoBllaze :wave: Hope you enjoy the forums. :beer:

Nice Scores! :cool:

RH
Hey, thanks! And this seems like a nice forum! Glad I'm here too! My friend Astro showed me this forum :D