This really sucks!!!! What is going on???

[FireDancer]

Hello all,

I recently built my first machine and was very excited about it. Now im not so sure that I am happy with it and this is why.

Current Set up:

ThermalTake Xaser III Case, with 7 80MM fans 4 intake and 3 exahuast.
A8V Delux Mobo, Bios 1009.007
Athlon 64 4000+/ Zalman 7700 HSF (maxxed out at 2000rpm )
ThermalTake 560 Watt PSU
1 X LiteOn DVD Rom
1 X LiteOn DVD Burner
2 x 120 Gig WD 7200RPM HDD
1 Floppy

This machine has not been OC'd at all and by no means is it set up in a extreme way, nothing has been modded at all. Here is my dilemma, when I set up the machine and went into bios and enabled the settings I wanted one of the first things I did was enable Cool N Quite. After the machine had been running for a bit and I made sure all was running properly I moniterd the idle and load temps.

With CNQ running I am idleing at 29 to 31C, MB is 26C. My Zalman HSF according to the manufacture is built to maxx out at 2000 rpm, currently it has peaked at 1900. Rpm will rise and fall with the demand of the cpu.

With CNQ disabled my cpu temp rises dramaticlly to a idle of 53C, this does not seem right as the machine is not OC'ed in way. I read threads here how guys and gals are registering temps much lower then mine while OC'ed. My particular cpu is rated up to 70C maxx before something really bad can happen :yikes: and we dont want that for my cpu at $719.00 a pop.

I know I have a 3 year warranty on the cpu but heck man I dont want to toast it before it's time.

My abmbiant room temp is 70F, my machine is a well ventilated area with no heat sources remotly close to it at all. And why when I go into the bios the hardware monitor allways shows much higher then Asus pc probe or Everest? This machine should not be running this warm in my opinion even with CNQ disabled. I sure as heck dont want to keep purchasing HSF and what not with no way of knowing if they will do the job at hand. :help:

I am really disappointed with my machine at this point with all the money I have spent on quality hardware, and possibly having to spend more to achive proper cooling for this cpu. Furthermore I am affraid to run a heavy load on it for fear of killing it. I am not a heavy gamer but do like to play occasionally. I just cant imagine that this cpu should run that warm at idle, if it is runniong that warm at idle ....whats it gonna do under a load? :yikes: I would hate to think that all this was for not. Any help or thoughts would be apprciated :beat:

[BB_One]

First and foremost, since this is your first built one small requirement that comes along with that is a little patience, search finding and asking as you are doing here. Hang in there we'll get you to love that nice setup of yours.

To the point, heat:

You need to be aware that various utilities reports different temperatures as some are tuned one way, other in a different fashion and very often NONE are actually reporting the right temp really, so you got to take it with a grain of salt.
Some mobo makers are knowned for having a bios update requirement up to 4 times before they have the right or close to right temp reading.
In general, once you have for example all 3 softy u are utilizing reporting about the same temp, then you should be close to a somewhat consistent reading.

Heat, is often cause by various issues but in this case as this is your first built, I am suspitious of improper application of the thermal grease between the cpu and the Zalman. Follow this thread and take the time to go to the links provided about the instruction on applying the grease. Further understand that the grease has to settle in order to achieve it max heat transfer, generally up to 2 weeks before it is 100% efficient.

Give that a try: http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6733

Lastly, and be very aware of this; 3 year warranty is fine but this warranty will not cover defective cpu because of overheating, so you are right in keeping a very close eye on this one.

Let us know how it goes, and try resitting/reinstalling the grease for a start.

[Snafu]

I am not sure if you have all of your fans set on high or not but this can cause poorer cooling than just having the front/rear on high and teh side/top on low (better sirflow through the case).

See this thread (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3285) with some air flow changes I have made with my Xaser III case (V1000D).

Cheers

[glorfy]

I ran an A8V with a 3500 (130nm) for a while, and Oc'ed to 2.4 I was seeing similar temperatures to your idle temperature AT LOAD, this was with the stock HSF - temperatures from Asus probe, which is know to under state temps! As has been said, what thermal interface material are you using, is it applied properly, and is the hsf fan fitting properly? Particularly look at post #11 of the link posted by BB_One.

[FireDancer]

Thanks for your replys and suggestions. I am going to pull the HSF today, clean it and reseat it on the CPU. I used AS5 the first time around and have a tube of it available to use it agin. After reading your post I might not have applyed the AS5 properly and used to much or not enough, my guess is not enough because I was affraid to over do it. I printed out the instructions from your link and will follow to a T and see if this changes anything. Thanks again, will post back once done and machine is up and running again.


Regards,
FIREDANCER :o

[Hawk]

Thanks for your replys and suggestions. I am going to pull the HSF today, clean it and reseat it on the CPU. I used AS5 the first time around and have a tube of it available to use it agin. After reading your post I might not have applyed the AS5 properly and used to much or not enough, my guess is not enough because I was affraid to over do it. I printed out the instructions from your link and will follow to a T and see if this changes anything. Thanks again, will post back once done and machine is up and running again.


Regards,
FIREDANCER :o


You probably used too much AS. Use only a small rice sized portion.

[Snafu]

From the Arctic Silver instructions the heat spreader on a P4 is far larger than the actual CPU underneath. It also shows a pic of what it looks like after it is compressed by the heat sink - it does not cover the entire heat spreader of the P4 (surprised me at how small the cpu actually is).

[joeMan]

This point has already been made, so I apologize for being redundant guys, but it is worth being absolutely sure that:

"On an Intel P4 or Athlon64 type CPU with a large metal heat spreader, put a small amount of Arctic Silver onto the center of the heat spreader [...]
Only a small amount of Arctic Silver is needed:
P4- About the size of an uncooked grain of short-grain white rice or 1/2 of a BB.
Athlon64- About the size of one and a half uncooked grains of short-grain white rice or 3/4 of a BB."

- from the AS, AS5 website link

I used to grossly over-apply the stuff, and I can attest to the fact that improper application does realize a raise in temps. Also, BB_One makes a good point - it does take a couple weeks or so for the compound, and thus your temp to settle in for the most part.

[FireDancer]

Ok, I have reset the HSF on the CPU and used only a small amount of AS5, currently the Asus prob is reading a steady 31C at idle, BIOS tho was still reading higher and I understand it will take a while for paste to settle and cool better. What kind of temps should I expect to see in BIOS when all is said and done? I am useing the BIOS as they seem to read more acuratly for now.


Regards,
FIREDANCER :hide:

[FireDancer]

NOTE: This is with CNQ enabled at this time, should I disable and see what idle is?

[83racecrew]

IMO yes to disable CNQ

[LostInSpace278]

I found THIS (http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=149053) to be an interesting read. I read the entirity a few days ago, and no one had found any silver leaf yet. Seems kinda Bleedinedge. My logic tells me this is a great idea. My fear of roasting my cpu's tells me it's a bad idea. Decide for yourself !!!

[BB_One]

Without CNQ enabled and an ambiant case temperature of 20c, your processor at idle should be in the 40c ish, and under load top end 50c ish ....57 to 60 not unheard off under Air cooling.

PS: Do remember that the 4000+ is an FX 53 with the multiplier lock, so if you are looking for any performance comparaison, look for the FX 53.

[Killer Munkey]

when AS5 sets you usually see a 2-5c drop in temps. Disable CNQ and see what the idle is after that.

If redoing the hsf only helped a little i'd take a look at the linky Snafu posted eariler about the direction of air flow in the case, lots of ideas in that thread.

[FireDancer]

Hello all again, welp on a whim I pulled the Zalman out and put the stock HSF back in thinking that with more rpm and the proper amount of AS5 things might get better. Guess what? It didnt. With CNQ enabled my rig idles at 33C MB 25C useing Asus pc probe and everest. With CNQ disabled it idels at 50 to 52C MB still at 25 to 26C

When installing HSF back in I thoroughly cleaned all the old past off useing alcohol with a q tip. I then let it sit for a bit for any residue to disapate and then just before applying AS5 back I blew the cpu off with air so there were no dust particals on it.

I seated the HS straight down and gave a very slight twist (as much as it would go sitting in the frame) both ways to insure the paste was even and in a nice quarter sized circle. I attached the fan header and locked down the HSF.

Still I get the same readings with CNQ enabled/Disabled no matter what HSF I use. I got to thinking about it and decided to call AMD A tech there told me that My Asus board might be giving inproper readings in the Bios and that they have had a few complaints about this with the A64/Asus mobo. I asked what could be done and he said that I could call Asus , which I intend to do but furthermore that I should put it to a stress test and see what I get.

:yikes: I told him, no way! that I had heard that my warranty would be voided for heat related problems. He assured me that if my CPU gets a bit to toasty to send it back and they will replace it as long as it doesn't look like a briquette :thumbs: So can anyone tell what software to use and maybe a little instruction or certain test to run some benchys on my cpu and see what is really up, or is that a forgone idea seeing that I am getting improper readings in my bios?

If I am getting readings that are not right in bios Which I belive are probably more acurate then Asus Pc Probe, or Everest at this time. Is there any way to resolve this improper bios reading if in fact that is the case? Hmmm kinda makes me think that with bad readings I would not know how accurate I was if I ever tried to OC it or if I even could.

Thanks in advance
FIREDANCER :fire:

[Killer Munkey]

check to see if there is a new bios from Asus that may fix the problem.

[joeMan]

I forget who here at BE told me to use ASUS PC Probe, but I trust it more than anything. I really don't know why I trust it more, I just do. For me, EVEREST and ASUS PC Probe give same results, like right now they read identical for CPU/MB (36C/22C). This A8V BIOS has always reported higher for me too, usually (annoyingly) by quite a bit - like up to +5C.

[FireDancer]

Yes my Asus Pc Probe and Everest read very much the same...both at 52C Idle right now with CNQ disabled :( . I called Asus and was told the would call back for the 4 time and still havent. I think I am gonna write a very nasty letter to there customer service. I just dont understand why my cpu temp is so high with no OCing. AMD Tech told me thatr the whole CPU should be coverd very lightly with paste so that there is no contact directly with the cpu and the heat sink ......gessssh im really confused at this point and ready to throw in the towel :smash:

I dont know what else to do besides find another HSF that will do the trick!!! :beat:

Anyways, thanks to everyone for thier help here at BleedinEdge!!! you guys :rock:

Best Regards,
FIREDANCER :fire:

[joeMan]

Sir, put the computer down, and step away from the return counter!

Don't throw in the towel man, it'll work out. I know these initial troubleshooting sessions can be hell on the nerves. Your baby's gonna be okay. Really. Just relax.

Here's some info for you. I just built a rig for my girls. It has an FX-53 running at stock speed. The HSF is a Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu. It is running wide open, no throttle control in line, just plugged straight to the A8V CPU fan lead. It runs at 2,850RPM (although it's only rated for 2,600RPM - I'll tell you how in a sec) and they idle at 38C. Possibly, you might need more then 2000RPM. I read on the Zalman website that the spec is 2000RPM +/- 10% for the 7700. Is a 14C difference possible from an extra 850RPM? I don't know. Also, the 7000 has a 92mm fan, the 7700 is a 120mm - these differences may, for some reason unknown to me, may be affecting the results too. Seems like a 120mm should be moving more air through those fins on the 7700 - even at 2000RPM - but I'd have to run tests on both under controlled conditions to get beyond speculation.

Okay, read this (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3572&highlight=cnps7000A-Cu) thread for info on why my CNPS7000A-Cu runs faster than spec.

After having read that, you may notice a slight difference in the RPM's I reported in that thread compared to this one. That is because I have a different fan attached to the FB-123 in the girl's configuration - they wanted lights (LED), so they got lights. This pretty pink & purple 80mm LED fan (it looks real cool actually) runs a little slower than the 92mm Zalman one I had in the configuration in that thread.

VERY IMPORTANT: These things, and also overall case airflow (as was mentioned in an earlier post in this same thread) will make more difference than you think. If you have warm/hot air filling your case due to improper air flow - then all you're doing is blowing that warm/hot air over your HSF fins and encouraging more heat. Double check to make sure you have the case fans running in the right direction, pulling in cool air at low/front and exhausting warm air out the top/rear (if that is in fact the scheme you choose). You have GOT to try to get the coolest air possible into that case for your HSF to suck through those fins.

hang in there... :yup:

[Killer Munkey]

ditto! don't give up man. a solution usually pops in your head when you least expect it. It always has for me.

[joeMan]

Firedancer - I edited my thread, so re-read it for the add'l info in case you read it before my edit.

[tbyte]

Yeah don't give in. It will just take some time. I had to play with my case fans and the speeds of them as well to get mine a bit cooler. Listen to JoeMan he knows what he's talking about. More fans are not always better....."I'm a believer!!!....now!"

[FireDancer]

Well I got up this am and poured my self a nice cup of coffee and sat down in front of the puter...turned it on it booted up... checked my mail... cme to Bleedin Edge... and started to read this post... I had a new out look this am and *POOF* the puter shut down and I can not power it back up!!!! :smash: :beat: :yikes: .

What now? I guess im gonna call amd and asus and get some RMA #s huh. No alarms no nothing just shut down! Welp, I guess it's back to the O'l drawing board. I have left it running with CNQ enabled all this while because I was affraid it would over heat, or something heh well I guess that something came :fire:

Guess I dont need to be frustrated anymore LOL!!!! Well it is all under warranty and I get it replaced and try again. Any suggestions? BTW I do shut the pc off everynight and it does sit in a very ventilated area. I have been playing with the fans a bit as far as air flow. When the puter shut down I immediatly opened the case and there is nothing and I mean nothing in there that is even warm to the touch :scratch:

Regards,
FIREDANCER

[Snafu]

Sorry to hear that but as others have said "don't give up". I hope RMA will help cure the problems.

You could try to run the computer with the side off and a fan blowing inside. This might help hopefully long enough to track down the problem.

Do you think the PSU might also be causing some issue with a low rail? Does it seem hot after it shuts down? Never outside the realm of a possibility but at this point it is hard to track down when it won't stay on for long.

Cheers and let us know how the rma goes.

[BB_One]

Very very odd, then again it's part of the computing joys. (Yes, I know and been told I am a masochist.)

Obvious question, what happen when u restarted, did it boot...or it's totally dead?

[FireDancer]

Totaly dead, just shut off!!! my power light is on on the mobo tho. I just shut it all down for now

[FireDancer]

No nothing was hot not even the PSU

[Snafu]

Crap! Now it is even harder to find out what's going on :irk: . If you want to see if the PSU is at least still delivering power on all rails to the board then check out this thread (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5577).

At least if it is still delivering power then it is down to your board or proc that you are planning to RMA.

[FireDancer]

The pc sat for a while and out of curiosity I hit the power button and to my surprise it booted up.... long enough to let me into the bios, unfortunatly right about that time it shut down again.

:smash:


Regards,
FIREDANCER :hide:

[Hawk]

Reset the memory and the CPU. Sounds like it might be heat related to the CPU.

[BB_One]

Kind of reach Hawk's thought on that one. But why is it freaken heating up...is frankly a good question !? You've reinstall HSF following the AS5 instructions.....the fan on Zalman or stock HSF is turning at a reasonable speed?

BTW...where is that connected to ....on the motherboard power connection for the cpu fan?

Another question; hopefully you can get to your bios once more. If so try to quickly go to ( before it shuts down again) the screen showing VCORE voltage, what does it say? <-- Arggghh never mind I found the answer to that in your other thread. Kindly try to keep to one thread as this is not making it any easier to help you....

Look at this option and turn it OFF.

System Freq/Voltage

AI OverClocking (Auto)

[Hawk]

Kind of reach Hawk's thought on that one. But why is it freaken heating up...is frankly a good question !? You've reinstall HSF following the AS5 instructions.....the fan on Zalman or stock HSF is turning at a reasonable speed?

BTW...where is that connected to ....on the motherboard power connection for the cpu fan?

Another question; hopefully you can get to your bios once more. If so try to quickly go to ( before it shuts down again) the screen showing VCORE voltage, what does it say?



With that also, if you can get into the BIOS, go right to the CPU temps and see where they are.

[FireDancer]

Yes, the fan is connected directly to the MB at the cpu fan header. I was thinking of changing the PSU and see if that will help to get it up and running for now. Vcore was reading 1.5. I am starting to think that maybe it is a PSU problem. I did get a alert for the 3.3 voltage. It might be a rail in the PSU?

Regards,
FIREDANCER

[FireDancer]

BB,

My Freq.voltage are set to auto.

FD

[BB_One]

I edited my post look again above disable AI OVERCLOCKING !

[83racecrew]

That is a possibility FD. If for some reason a rail drops to far...its not going to supply the components with enough juice to run.....I admit I am grasping at straws but if you can lay your hands on one with beefier ratings than the one you have......it just might be worth a shot.....or disconnect everything but the absolute essentials from the one you have and give it a shot. Sorry bud, running out of suggestions. :)

[BB_One]

Assuming the bios is readiing the voltage correctly, your voltages are within the permitted tolerance. So now comes to questions what is it.

In cases of cpu heating, most often then none (if HSF or grease is not the cause) it is due to too much voltage (vcore to high) to it (mainly when people are overclocking).

However and not wanting to get into PSU bashing or brand name loyalty contests, one thing for sure, for your specific rig u do need a realiable and beefy PSU. Is yours such a PSU? dunno, for it seems we might not be in a position to rely on the bios readings to determine that either, so honestly now comes the challenges of finding what's wrong when possibly 2 or more things could be wrong.

But right now, I would be incline to zoom on vcore voltage and try to see if we can get that under control, even at the expense of reducing manually vcore to 1.4 volts and see if the heat problem goes away. If it does we can now focus on what is wrong, bios improperly showing 1.5 volts when in fact it is doing more like 1.6 or more. Or is it PSU under load (does not have to be big load) not being able to provide stable 12 volts hence affecting the 1.5 volts output and suddenly zooming out of whack to 1.6 or more???

[FireDancer]

I am currently useing a 560 watt ThemalTake but also have a 500watt Ultra X connect. If I can get into bios real fast and set back to all default would that help? Its in the last section of bios I just hope I can get there fast enough.

FIREDANCER

[FireDancer]

welp got into bios and set defaults, all booted fine pulled up pc probe and vcore says 1.568... then it shut down again :(

FIREDANCER

[Hawk]

If you suspect a PS problem, trying pulling the hard drives and floppies off of the supply to help with preventing a load failure. Try that and let us know.

[FireDancer]

Ok,

I pulled all power to all drives and dvds as well as floppy but the master so it would boot.
all freq/voltage settings seem ok but again it shuts down. Change PSU?

FIREDANCER

[Hawk]

Ok,

I pulled all power to all drives and dvds as well as floppy but the master so it would boot.
all freq/voltage settings seem ok but again it shuts down. Change PSU?

FIREDANCER

If you have a spare to test, try it, I am not convinced that it is the PS yet.

[Snafu]

Yes. Change the PSU and see. Your Thermaltake shoudl be good but it too can be faulty. Switching to another (even weaker PSU) just may deliver stable enough power to get you botted. And if it turns out to be the case then you should rma teh Thermaltake PSU.

[83racecrew]

FD.....have you tried any other bios?....again just tossing ideas....You are using a "beta" bios according to Asus' site....maybe try the 1009 official....I realize there are people using 1009.007 without issue, but maybe your just not one of them :o :chit:

[FireDancer]

I will change the PSU it is gonna take a bit as I am trying to accomplish other things as well :( but I did update bios 3 days ago with out problems to 1009.007 . I will post back later and I just think all you gurus here at Bleedin Edge rock.. this is fast becoming my #1 forum to come to...thanks a ton for all your help, suggestions and support. I really want to love my pc as it is my first build with quality equipment and now that I can afford for once it doesent work...imagine that LOL I am confident with all your help I will get it resolved.

FIREDANCER

[FireDancer]

earlier in this post it was said I believe something to the effect that more exshaust was better then intake when dealing with case fans. If that is the case and I understand correctly I want more hot air out faster then I want air in?

FD

[FireDancer]

Ok guys,

I am glad to report with the PSU changed we are up and running about 10 minutes now and all is stable. BIOS are all set at default for now with CNQ enabled

Status right now:

Idleing at 30C
MB 26C
CPU Fan RPM 2900
+12V 11.977
+5V 5.214
+3V 3.392
VCore 1.136

I made a quick change and turned 2 intake fans around on the side of the case and made them exhaust for now to see if that helps. Any comments, ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,
FIREDANCER

[FireDancer]

I belive I am still gonna have a HSF problem with cooling CPU. I guess I could clean it and reset it with new AS5 and go from there.

[Hawk]

Damn, bad PS. . . . Hey, great, lets keep this thread going with the status of your machine.

:rock:

[FireDancer]

Will do Hawk....

I have a few more changes to make tonight might be able to post back in a bit, allthough I have my wireless laptop set up in my work area so I could give a blo by blo if needed :)

Thanks,
FIREDANCER

[Snafu]

FD - the thread pointed to earlier about air flow direction (& may get smoe debate here) - what I have done with my case (similar to yours I believe - Thermaltake Xaser III) is leave the sides as intakes but on low. The top is an exhaust and on low as well. I reversed the rear fans so they are now intakes and the reversed the fronts so they are exhausts. Both on high.

This approach gets a good flow straight through the case with the rear delivering cool air to the cpu before it gets heated by the board and hard-drives. Dropped CPU temps by about 5C (board temps went up by about 5C).

A few other things I found that helped is to remove one of the hard drive cages and cleaned up the wiring. Mainly to help the air flow get through the case.

There is a nother config I want to try and some other things I need to make but the case needs more adjustments before trying this out.

[joeMan]

Snafu - I still really like that cooling configuration of yours. I think it's one of the best ideas for air cooling. I never did get to use it since I switched to water around the time you and I discussed it.

FD - I think your Zalman 7700 will like getting first dibs on that fresh air coming right in the back (Snafu's way).

I'm very happy to hear of your progress. Way to go man. These PC's can be real fickle at times, but once they are up and running stable they are a ton of fun.

This is currently my favorite thread - troubleshooting with you an everyone else just rocks.

:rock: :rock: BE :rock: :rock:

[BB_One]

Wow...wait a minute here....

First and foremost, great we got the machine back up. However something definetly and terribly wrong with the readings.

vcore=1.136?, crap no wonder the darn thing was overheating at what was identified as 1.536 and 1.564 before!

Here is why:

Now here is where I am perplexed in all of this, that processor is rated to run at a vcore of 1.5 volt!!!

So let's assume that the bios is reading incorrectly and 1.136 = 1.5 ? if that is so can u imagine what the previous 1.536 was = to 1.8 or so.....no wonder it was heating up let alone did not fry frankly.

Obviously at 1.136 if this is the REAL voltage, that processor is not operating at it's peek rating and off couse is running idle and not dissipating heat.

Great that it is back up and running, but something still fishy here. :scratch: :scratch:

Edit: Just re-read last post CNQ is enabled, can u disabled that and give us your vcore reading please.

[FireDancer]

First off I would like to say that the Vcore drops in Cool and Quite mode and dispences more if needed but if you disable the Cool N Quite it jumps back up to 1.5 and stays there and is stable. I am currently running with CNQ disabled and see a great deal of progress I am now ideling at 42C but that is still to high for me.

While I was putting in the other PSU I pulled the HSF again and cleaned it well and reseated it once again with AS5 (a 3/4 BB size dab in the center of the CPU) and reset the HSF. It seems to be running a bit cooler with CNQ disabled but still to high. maybe some more adjustment with case fans? I did go back to stock HSF as I felt the Zalman was not seating right.

In the instructions for the Zalman 7700 it says to put the back plate on and then mount to it. I didnt do that as it does sit directly to the cpu with the stock plate on. MAybe it wasnt getting a tight enough seat. When I pulled the mobo out to look at that stock plat it looked like it was in there tight and I did not want to mess with it to hard and screw my mobo so I just left it alone for now.

Currently my Vcore is running at 1.584 and all seems well :thumbs: but I still would like to see a drop in the temps. Thanks all of you so far the huge barrel of knowledge that you have afforded me to be able to come a bit closer to getting my machine running properly.

Regards,
FIREDANCER

P.S. I will keep this thread running and update the temps for a while until we can all aggree that it is at it's optimal settings :) :thumbs:

[83racecrew]

:thumbs: :thumbs: Good job FD....way to go :)

[Killer Munkey]

aswome, progress is being made. keep us update :thumb:

[Snafu]

Cool...um...I mean hot :scratch: . Glad to hear it is getting somewhere. Let's see if the temps settle as AS5 cures a bit.

Like BB has said shouldn't the vcore be at 1.5? Running it at 1.584 might rise the temps a bit. I woudl be curious to see a DMM (digital multi meter) reading if you can find where to measure the vcore manually. Anyone know on this board?

[joeMan]

FD, here is how I deal with that backplate issue:


...if you want to modify that installation and not have to use their backplate - do the following: I have used the same way around that mod with all my HSF combos that require it - I do not take everything out of the case and re-mount a (mfg) Zalman or Thermalright backplate on my board, because my AMD s939 board already comes with a backplate on there. What I do is then install the whole thing just using the existing backplate - ** :!: BUT PLEASE NOTE THIS :!: ** this method requires for you to have to judge the torque in downward pressure on your CPU as most of those kits compensate for that adjustment by designing it so you just bottom out the mount screws into their backplate screw recepticles. So, the only trick to doing it my way - again - is that you have to judge that downward CPU torque pressure by yourself. Just be willing to do that if you don't want to go through the complete disassembly of you board to mount the various mfg's back plate on there.

My torque I have found to be ideal with the Zalman is, as soon as the screws have just barely begun to thread on each side - from that point I carefully count 7 whole turns of torque per screw alternating each side 1 turn at a time of course so as to get an evenly pressured downward torque. The Thermalright, on the other hand, required a different amount of screw turns because I had to use one spacer (included in their kit) on each side in order to get tension for the downward pressure.

quoted from this (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5726&highlight=torque) BE thread.

[FireDancer]

I assume that you left the stock heat sink bracket on as well? I did and it all fit correctly and there was plenty of clearance but I felt the tourqe on the screw needed to reach the depth of the screw to make it tight and sit correctly wasnt happening. Maybe I could of thrown in a few spacers to raise the metal T's that hold down the Zalman :bonk: . I am still wanting to use it as it is a solid copper flower heat sink and would do a better job disapating alot of the heat off the cpu, but feel it wasnt fitting right...another words it felt like it had a C hair of slop and I didnt like that :eek: !!!! maybe I will wait a day or so and re install it, as I am tired of tweaking on my rig right now and want to use it .... maybe just a bit :) LOL


My Vcore is at 1.568 right now and I just keep enableing CNQ, and the Vcore sits at 1.12 but I do feel like it should be a steady 1.5. I also think im gonna tweak around with my case fans more and see if I can come up with something to enable more air flow. I do not want to cut the case at all..maybe just get some better case fans. Any suggestions would be appreciated on case fans. I am aslo thinking about pulling the plexiglass side off and drilling it out compleatly and laying a real fine screening (maybe cloth) over it to help keep dust out and as well as help the air to flow out of the case as well... just an idea tho :coocoo:

I would still like to see my temps lower though, I am sure that will come when I figure out a way to pipe in the coolant from my wife new double sided refridgerator I bought her :lol:

I will try your way of mounting the Zelman 7700... damn it's big and heavy to!!!!

:smash: I will get it back in there soon :beer:

Regards,
FIREDANCER :fire:

[BB_One]

OK, so we got solid and good vcore.

So all in all we can now rely on what the bios is telling us it seems.

Obviously, at task for you now is the issue of your Zalman installation, taking short cut or leaving parts behind I guess might be part of the problem.

Overall temperature: here is my personal thoughts on that one:

CNQ= Cool N Quiet ~ s'cuse me but with 5 fans + on a system, it should get cool but certainly far from Quiet. So that option is in my taste a total waste. Beside, that sucker of a great processor was born to fly, so let it fly !

Without, CNQ enable and 100% under load, if u see that processor running high 50° c, don't even blink, that puppy is just gettting cozy by the firewall, I assume that you are aware of it's strechout design and it's 70° c max Thermal rating. In other words, personally I would not even blink if that processor hit 58°c to 63°c under 100% load.

You should Prime95 or S&M it just to see.

Lastly, since I always have my machines running at full load 24/7 if not gaming it's folding, the heat dissipated is recycled in heat to warm my feet in winter in this cold office of mine. Well office is cold, cause I rely on pcs to warm it up, and it works! lol

Anyhow, glad all seems to be back to normal.

I'd be darn curious to know what was wrong with previous power supply, sounded like relieable brand and beeffy puppy. Loose connection on installation, 4 pin connector not connected? Might be worth investigating that one.


:wave: :beer: :thumbs: :wave:

[FireDancer]

BB,

How long would you run Prime95? I ran it for a very short time 9 minutes to be exact which probably aint doo doo :) but the cpu with CNQ disabled got to 62C and held there.
then idled back to 41C. Are you saying that my temps are well within the realm of my cpu? Yes I am aware of it being able to strech out to 70C but the closer you get to that threshold the more worried I get :) Whats is a good run time on prime?

Very best regards,
FIREDANCER

[FireDancer]

oh yeah no warnings or errors during our VERY breif run on prime95

[FireDancer]

And one more thing LOL all my voltages and Vcore stayed solid! Vcore was a hair over 1.5 closer to 1.6 im not sure tho if that is good or not I know it is spose to run at 1.5. It wont hurt it to jump up a little bit will it?

FD

[joeMan]

I assume that you left the stock heat sink bracket on as well?

Yep, I did. And you raise a valid idea here. That is perhaps the "7 turns" rule that I use will not do for you on your 7700 as the hold down bracket may have a variance in height from the 7000 I was using. So, your # of turns would be completely up to your judgement.

BB One brings up a good point also with his comment about leftover parts - even though I found a completely functional and satisfactory way to modify my 7000 installation, the fact remains that the safest way to make sure you get your 7700 on the way Zalman designed it to is to go the whole distance and use their bracket.

It's just the way I am. When I come up against a decision to:
A) modify
or
B) follow aftermarket mfg. instructions to the inth degree
I usally chosse to modify.

I am lucky that my sometimes :bonk: :coocoo: behavior in this manner has never yet resulted in :cry: . A few times I have :yikes: at the results of my mods, but for the most everything has turned out :thumbs: in the end.

[BB_One]

BB,

How long would you run Prime95? I ran it for a very short time 9 minutes to be exact which probably aint doo doo :) but the cpu with CNQ disabled got to 62C and held there.
then idled back to 41C. Are you saying that my temps are well within the realm of my cpu? Yes I am aware of it being able to strech out to 70C but the closer you get to that threshold the more worried I get :) Whats is a good run time on prime?

Very best regards,
FIREDANCER

Running Prime 95 heck u can run that all night while u sleep, that's what I used to do to make sure the system was stable. So ya 9 minutes is somewhat too short of a time. Give it a go for a couple of hours to see where it sits.

Even if CNQ was enabled, when u run prime it would disabled it as it would make a request for 100% CPU utilization.

62°C under prime load, yip I am not surpised.

Cooler would be better, hence you need to take a serious look at your Zalman installation and your case flow. Doing this right will most likely cut anything from 2° to 5°, hence bring u down below 60° under load.


And one more thing LOL all my voltages and Vcore stayed solid! Vcore was a hair over 1.5 closer to 1.6 im not sure tho if that is good or not I know it is spose to run at 1.5. It wont hurt it to jump up a little bit will it?

Beware of that "a Hair" statement, in vcore a hair means an increase or decrease of 0.01 volt, be extremely carefull with vcore.
1.6 volts is touching overclocking the cpu. Under load you should check that again, I suspect it might raise to 1.545 or 1.560 ish....anything above that and we need to look at it, and sadly that points again at the power supply freaken out under stress.

hence running prime 95 a couple of hours and peeking at vcore with a utility to reflects what your bios shows, MBM5 or the likes maybe.


One thing you must focus on right now is to complete your Zalman install and follow carefully how to apply AS5, take no short cuts and do that one right and thight but not to thight to crack the cpu.

Then look at your airflow in the case.

Once you got that all done, we can continue on stress testing and all.

[FireDancer]

First off I am sorry for starting a new thread last night about a differant HSF, I should of kept it right here.

Last night I pulled my Stock HSF and re installed the Zalman 7700 with AS5 and I followed the instructions to a T with both. The instructions for the Zalman does say that a back plate is not always nessecary. I used my back plate as it is seated in the mobo so tight that I was affraid I would break the mobo if I tried any harder to remove it.

Once the Stock HSF was removed and the cpu was cleaned I prepaired the Zalman for installation. Once the Zalman was ready I applied the AS5 to the center of the CPU, about 3/4 of a BB size dab. THe Zalman was set straight down on the CPU (centered) and given a slight (very slight) twist both ways, then the mounting hardware was sucured.

The fan wire was then secured directly to the mobo on the cpu fan header. All connections to the PSU and mobo were put back on and the machine was let to sit for about 30 minutes while I ate my supper :beer: .

I fired the machine up and went to BIOS, again sadly but not to my surprise the temps where showing in the 50's. I went ahead and decided to write down all my temps with and with out CNQ enabled with the stock HSF and the Zalman and below is what I came up with.

Stock HSF CNQ Enabled

30C Idle
24C Mobo
2900 RPM HSF
+12V 11.734
+5V 5.214
+3V 3.392
VCore 1.136

Zalman 7700 CNQ Enabled

30C Idle
24C Mobo
1900 RPM HSF
+12V 11.734
+5V 5.214
+3V 3.392
VCore 1.136

Stock HSF CNQ Disabled

40C Idle
25C Mobo
3100 RPM HSF
+12V 11.795
+5V 5.214
+3V 3.392
VCore 1.568

Zalman 7700 CNQ Disabled

48C Idle
26C Mobo
1920 RPM HSF
+12V 11.795
+5V 5.214
+3V 3.392
VCore 1.568

As you can see the Zalman seems to NOT cool as well as the stock but what bothers me even more is the CNQ , I should be able to run this CPU as BB_One says.. the way it was meant to run and let it open up and flat out fly. Without CNQ enabled it should run @ 2.4 with no OCing. This is very dissapointing

For that last 3 days I have changed and rechanged the HSF in hopes that I was just setting it wrong but I feel I have done this correctly. I did have a PSU go bad for some reason and I am not sure why but never the less it is under warranty and I did have another new PSU to use and it seems to be doing it's job. (Ultra X Connect 500 Watt)

I have repeatedly tried to speak with someone at Asus to no avail to try to get some answers and find out if somehow there is a problem with the mobo. I have spoken with AMD techs and they have told me that they do not reccomend AS5 on thier product and if I do use it it needs to cover the whole cpu.

I have purchased a after market HSF that is very reverd by the OCing community as beeing one of the best and it seems that it is not up to the task at this point! :smash:

I have been told to look at my case cooling and I have, at this point I feel I have more then adiquate air flow through the case, 2 front intake fans 80MM with good flow through (nothing blocking them) as the HDDs are mounted in the upper cage above the fans. 2 side 80MM intake fans with nothing blocking them, with good air flow directly adjasent the CPU and video card.

1 top exshaust fan 80MM with very good air flow. 2 rear 80MM exhaust fans, and the 80MM exhuast fan on the PSU are all flushing the hot air out rather well. At this point I feel like I have spent my cash for not :bonk: . I guess I will call AMD and Asus back today and see if I can get some answers.

I do apprciate everyones help in this thread, but I tend to aggree with BB_One, I should be able to run this cpu like it was meant to be and still have adiquate temps and at this point they are just not acceptible...even with the Zalman!!! :yikes:

Very Best Regards to all,
FIREDANCER :fire:

[BB_One]

Darn,

What a dissapointment, I can certainly understand your frustration and frankly on a personal note I am extremelly surprised to see the results of the Zalman cooling for u, maybe try to give Zalman a shout and share your findings with them got to be a way to at a minimum, obtain the same results as the stock HSF.

As for AMD and AS5, crapolla AMD is my answer to them, AS5 has demonstrated it's performance over and over again.


Honestly FireDancer at this point and given all that you have tried, my recommandation is to contact your CPU vendor or AMD and insist on replacing that cpu, you sadly got a dud that is overheating for no reason, and the mobo has nothing to do with it for your vcore seems rather stable, a little high but stable ~ talk to ASUS if u can and point out the vcore reading without CNQ to them.

Happens sometimes and sadly I think you are the unlucky recipient of a flaky CPU. Look at the bright side, we found a possible defective PSU, and you got to learn and practice how to install Thermal compound! ( joking...got to keep a smile here).

Go for a new cpu, drop that one back to AMD !

[83racecrew]

I agree with BB, unfortunately you are one of the "few" instead of the "many" :(

You have done an awesome job at keeping our head and documenting all your findings :yup: :thumbs:

There isn't a whole lot left to try :(

[joeMan]

FD - what is your ambient room temp where that PC is?

Also, based on your results in your last post, Cool n Quiet disabled: 40C idle with the stock HSF isn't bad at all...but note how it took you 3100RPM to achieve that as compared to the 1900+/-RPM of the Zalman running flat out. I still think RPM's will help, and that 7700 is spec's at only 2000RPM and that's all she has captain...

Consider this (which I see you are considering the PIPE101, neato, I always wanted to try that one but never did) when trying out your PIPE 101. It says it supports 80mm and 90mm fans, so give both those sizes a try at full RPM's/no inline throttle reduction. I think a combo of the right aftermarket HS and keeping the RPM's up - you will get to where you want to be.

At 40C idle with the stock HSF (cool n quiet disbaled) you should be able to right now run flat out 2.4GHz like you want to just fine, as long as you're not breaking into the 60C barrier under load.

Do you have an ideal load temp your striving for?

[FireDancer]

I have called AMD this morning after my first post and reply from BB_One as well as RaceCrew and JoeMan. First off to answer JoeMans questions... The ambeiant room temp is always at 70F. I am looking for load temps running stock with CNQ disabled around 50-55C max! I belive that is not asking to much due to the fact that I am not OCing.

All I want right now is to be able to run this puppy at what it's spose to run at without fear of turning it into a briqutte!!! :fire: and I dont even feel I am close. Lets face it , with no OCing 48C at idle is just plain ol unacceptable!!!! :stop:

Now for the update!!!!

Like I said I called AMD and there explination was first off to say that I was still within the realm of acceptable temps... even idleing at 48C I had to laugh a bit at the tech and ask her ... would you feel comfy throtteling up your brand new $700.00 cpu from 48C to god knows what under a load? I got the responce I expected.... NONE!! anyways she was very nice and told me that there have been some issues with the 939 socket and Asus MB.

She asked me to contact Asus and get the revision 2.0 update on BIOS :( ugggghhh I now have to call Asus... the ones who still havent returned my call the previous 4 times :eek: My bios are current at 1009.007 and I am not sure what she is referring to but I do now have a 5th call into Asus.... Lets see what happens , I told the man that answerd the phone at Asus if I did not recieve a call back soon I would be calling his supervisor!!! (that ought to move thier ass!!!) probably not but it was worth a try!!! :thumbs: . Anyone want to hold thier breath with me?? :rolleyes:

If and when I get a call from Asus I will post back and update all of you again. Thanks fellas for all your support here at the Bleedin Edge!!! :rock:

[Snafu]

I have been holding my breath since December on a question I had on one of thier boards. I still have the ticket in an e-mail they sent me :irk:

[joeMan]

All I want right now is to be able to run this puppy at what it's spose to run at without fear of turning it into a briqutte!!! :fire: and I dont even feel I am close. Lets face it , with no OCing 48C at idle is just plain ol unacceptable

Okay, but your 48C idle was with the Zalman 7700...I meant run it with your stock HSF for the 40C with cool n quiet disabled. Your stock HSF runs at 3100RPM - so with it running like that, and with it at 40C idle, I would think you should be getting close to your 55C max acceptable load temp...then just stay with the stock HSF until you get a different aftermarket HSF.

I base these comments on what you reported:


Stock HSF CNQ Disabled

40C Idle
25C Mobo
3100 RPM HSF
+12V 11.795
+5V 5.214
+3V 3.392
VCore 1.568

[BB_One]

Hoho.......

AMD say go for bios 2.......ummmm... not so I say little lady might be confusing with a famous problem.... are we looking at the famous ASUS rev 1.02 mobo versus the version 2 of the motherboard?

FireDancer , look on the motherboard and can you identify what version of the motherboard you have please?

( If he's got 1.02 we need glorfy in here to help...)

[FireDancer]

Would I be able to indentify the version from the box? I dont know where to look on the mobo or if I can? :)

FIREDANCER

[83racecrew]

FD...it can be a number of places.....I have looked at Asus' site and not seen anything to help...but try there.

Usually its near wherever it says A8V (may say deluxe also not sure) then should have little sticker maybe with 1.02 or 2.0 or Rev. XXXX

But it might also be in the corner of the mobo, like by the PCI slots or one of the other 2 corners not by the Keyboard / mouse ports though...

:o hope that helps a little ?

[BB_One]

From the box doubtfull, follow 83racecrew's advice.

[FireDancer]

I have REV 2.00

[FireDancer]

Ok, here is what i have accomplished thus far... I was sitting here wallering in my own pitty about my new rig and got to thinking, when the cpu came to me brand new it had thermal paste from corner to corner. I called AMD back and talked to a tech there and he suggested at this point it might not hurt to try putting whatever themal paste I had back the way it was... I was at the least a little leary of that due to the fact that AS5 says that all you need is a little bit in the center.

Well with nothing to loose I gave it a try and low and behold I am idleing without CNQ at 36C...hmmm I am still wondering if there will be any Ill effects of this but what the hell It is under warranty and AMD said as long as it dosent come back looking like a briquette they will replace it.

The other thing I thought about was in the BIOS there is a setting for AI Overclocking and it is set at auto, would this be the cause for the VCore jumping a bit from 1.5 to 1.6 it seems stable but I have numerous settings in there for OCing and 2 of them are standard and manual. I would not know how to set them as I have never OC'ed a machine but maybe that might help?

Dont yell at me to bad for what I did with the AS5... be easy on me ok :bonk: but it seems to be working, also I have the stock HSF back on running at 3000 RPM and it does not seem to be running to hard as the cpu is much cooler for now. Maybe with a bit better HSF I might be able to cool it a few more degrees. The Zalman 7700 is out of here!! :smash: Anyone interested in a Zalman 7700 New :) cheap or trade? LOL :o

Regards,

FIREDANCER :fire: :o

[83racecrew]

Hey if it works FD.....it works, no question. :thumbs:

As to the AI overclocking...yea I will say its possible for that to be the Vcore culrpit.
I personally would set it to manual and then adjust everything that becomes available (more settings should appear) to what you have learned or been told here. Make sense?

[joeMan]

FD - that's great to hear. So, you spread it on thick like peanut butter huh? :lol: jk.

Very glad to hear it's settled down. :rock: I'm proud of you for not giving in...you are at the beginning of a very rewarding experience, I'm sure.

And, glad to hear you're going to experiment with other aftermarket HSF's. With your tenacity, I'm sure you'll find that one that you like soon -and you'll be sitting a few degrees cooler :) . You sort of remind me of me...when I tweak, man do I tweak! I am not happy and do not settle until I have found the answers and just the right solution to my varied situations...in fact, somethimes I go too overboard and lose way too much sleep pouring over my beautiful machine...

A R O C T
n e b o w
a t s m e
l_e e p a
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_t_s _l e
_i _i _s r
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[83racecrew]

:lol: :lol: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: @ joeman :thumbs:

[FireDancer]

Yes I uderstand, might have to ask a few questions tho but I am looking for new HSF right now. Will try to make proper adjustments in BIOS for AI OCing and see if that sets things to a more stabe VCore. I want to thank all of you for the help you have offerd me.

I am still thinking about the ThermalTake Pipe HS with a nice 90MM fan on it :) I think it will fit one!!!! :scratch: anyways nice job guys!!!!

Bleedin Edge Rocks!!!!!

I will be looking to coll it a bit more as I can see the temp fluxuate a degree or so up and down but I am happy with what I have compared to 48C idle! :yikes: that is just phonominal... like you said if it works it works LOL. Will be keeping a close eye on it tho. Unfortunatly I have to leave the house for about 6 weeks to go back to work.

I work on a Catastropy Team and travel around the country for all the major storms and work them. I just got back from the hurricanes in Fla right before christmas...now it's time to go on to Indiana for the Ice :yikes: and then im schedualrd to go to Calif for the mudslides :( I just love helping these people tho it gives me great pleasure!!

But I will be logging onto the Edge here from time to time while im out as I think I would miss this place alot even though I have been here only a short time :) it's a great place to come to just to hang out and read about all the great OC'ing and mods :thumbs:

Best Regards,
FireDancer :fire:

[FireDancer]

Thanks JoeMan ... LOL :D

[83racecrew]

:thumbs: awesome FD....stay safe out there :)

[BB_One]

This is excellent news.....psssttt AI Overclocking, look in this very thread a few pages back...ummm....on 2 occasions I suggested to disable that..lol

See if thereis a way to set vcre at 1.5 volt, then run your system @ 100 % load, prime 95 or S&M and see what the temp readings are.....me bet is 55- 58 ish


Good show just the same,

Cheers, glad it all works out for u.

[FireDancer]

Ok, in AI OCing for manual settings this is what I have

AI OC = Manual
CPU BUS Freq = 200MHZ
CPU Multiplier = 12.0
CPU Voltage = 1.500
AGP/PCI Freq = Auto, or 66.66/33.33 or 75.4/37.7 ??????? which one
DDR Voltage = Auto, or 2.6, 2.7, 2.8 ????? which one
AGP Voltage = 1.5 or 1.5 ???? which one
Vlink Voltage 2.5 or 2.6???


Now remember I want standard settings no OC right now so can someone tell me which of these setting need to be changed or kept??

Regards,
FIREDANCER

[glorfy]

Hi! Im feeling guilty as I've not been able to help for a few days! :hide:

Heres what I'd go with. Set the voltages low, except for the ram, up to 2.7. That way you can tweak them up if you start to overclock, and see what effect each one has on stability, and in the meantime, there is enough there to keep everything happy!

Small confession now :hide: When I apply AS5, I use a small amount (rice grain size), but I spread it all over with a credit card -usually the wifes :hide: :lol: - nice and thin. Its how I did it before I knew better and I've not had a problem so carried on doing it.

Your temps are pretty spot on to what I was getting with a stock HSF! Good job!

AI OC = Manual
CPU BUS Freq = 200MHZ
CPU Multiplier = 12.0
CPU Voltage = 1.500
AGP/PCI Freq = 66.66/33.33
DDR Voltage = 2.7
AGP Voltage = 1.5
Vlink Voltage 2. or 2.6

CPU voltage - Up this when you get better cooling as necesary to achieve more stable O/C.
AGP/PCI lock 66/33 is the standard it is meant to run at, set it here, otherwise when you up the FSB, it will 'track' it.

DDR voltage - Up this if you think your RAM is holding you back - Your PC4000 should be good for 250FSB, so unless you are looking for a big O/C it shouldn't really - ask JOEman about George Bush Senior Overclocks, vs junior ones :) :lol: Sorry Joeman!

Easiest way to test if RAM is holding you back is to lower the CPU multiplier to 8 when you can't overclock anymore, this will instantly tell you that if the iinstability carries on then its the ram limiting O/C not the CPU. Note once you start upping the FSB much above 215, you may well have to change the HTT multiplier from X5 to X4. I can't remeber with that motherboard whether it is expressed like that or as 1000, 800, 6000 - which equate to X5, X4 and X3.

I don't know how much depth you want with this so I'll assume full.

Your CPU bus freq - FSB You up this for Overclocking - higher = more memory bandwidth - 200 is standard for this CPU, with the 12X multiplier. With A64 chips you can lower the multiplier and increase FSB to get higher bandwidth on the memory without increasing overall CPU speed, so for instance FSB=240, multiplier 10. Gives you a lot to play with!

Thats just a very quick look at overclocking! Remeber take it slowly when you start, small bites at a time, take the time to check each step and find some further reading, there are some good threads around.

Oh yeah - and remeber overclocking is done entirely at your own risk!! :) :mischeif: :na: :lol:

[FireDancer]

Thanks,

I set it up just the way you posted it and all is well as a matter a fact I dropped to 35C Idle and couldnt be happier right now. As far as OC'ing from there I will have to read more and understand what I am doing before I do it but thats why I come here right? to ask the pros!!!

I appreciate each and everyone of you and all your help here with this problem.. I am going to start looking into a after market HSF that will be butt kick'n. I am still looking at the ThermalTake Pipe HS and a good fan to put atop of it :D and I will be set I belive. BTW, I have PC 3200 DDR 400... I think you said PC 4000? Oh well it's late no big right? all you have a great night!!!!! :rock:

Thanks again all of you here at the Bleedin Edge :thumbs:

Very Best Regards,

FIREDANCER :fire:

[glorfy]

:lol: my bad - blurred vision! Wishful thinking for ya maybe?!

[FireDancer]

Why does Prime95 get to a certain point and then it flashed some thing about passed...and started scrolling?

I was running it on torture and got to something like test 150 and it started just scrolling went up to like 450 and I stopped it..should I have let it run? The maxx temp I got to under load was 53C...hmmmm :) Thats way better huh?


FD

[BB_One]

Umm memory fails me with Prime 95 as I have not used it in many moons now...but will soon..lol

Temp at 53°c , there we are.

way to go FireDancer, now get that new HSF u want and then let's have some fun and OC this baby until it BURNS ! well ok just a step short of burning..hehehe

[joeMan]

Prime95, when it says passed and scrolls that's good. It means you passed that set of hellish math computations, and are successfully starting the next set of iterations.