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Well, looks like I'm going to go for a n AMD setup after looking at P4 boards for a while. I just can't get over the fact that I can get 80-90% of the peformance for 60% of the price (depending on OC success) :rolleyes: Seems like a no brainer, unless price is no object.
I'm going to give the Abit NF7-S v2.0 a second shot (since I like my v1.2 so much which is now in my wife's system). I'm going with a TBredB cpu instead of a Barton - since I didn't have good results with the last Barton I tried. I haven't notice any good info a good Barton steppings, so it's tough to figure out which ones are good - and I'm in no mood to go through 2 or 3 to get one that's cherry...
Anyway, I'll post when I have everything up and running. Sorry - this isn't going to be a bleeding edge system, but maybe I'll be blest with some good components and it'll just be a ragged edge system instead ;)
pointreyes
08-06-2003, 07:50 AM
Interestingly, something did not work out correctly with a computer build I did so I had to give up my Barton/Asus system and now have my TBredB/Epox system back except it now has 1.256 Gigs of RAM instead of 512 Meg. I had to get compensated so how for giving up the Asus and Barton. Oh well, sometime this week I will be getting w2k3 Web Server so this will be a very good box for that OS. w2k3 WS on the Epox and w2k3 ES on the C-Wood. For the work I do, I honestly don't see much improvement with the P4 system over an AthlonXP system. I do seem to use my Linux box (2x2400MP) more than the P4 system (2.8 Ghz HT).
Yeah, except for bandwidth heavy apps, there doesn't seem to be much difference between top end P4s and Athlons.
Still, I would rather have had a P4, but it would have cost me an extra $120 (or $180 if I got the board I really wanted). Just didn't seem worth it after looking at some comparison reviews.
So many more people are using Intel systems at ABX and here that I feel like odd man out in sticking with AMD...oh well :rolleyes:
pointreyes
08-06-2003, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
So many more people are using Intel systems at ABX and here that I feel like odd man out in sticking with AMD...oh well :rolleyes:
Welcome to the NoahPRXJ club. :rolleyes:
DAPUNISHER
08-06-2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by pointreyes
Welcome to the NoahPRXJ club. :rolleyes: Hey! Don't forget me :D
sodface
08-06-2003, 04:13 PM
and me... I'm the numbskull that ordered the epox 8RDA and only got ONE stick of ram...:p I probably shouldn't admit that, (I am running dual channel finally after 6 months of single.)
Originally posted by sodface
and me... despite my normally great intelligence ordered the epox 8RDA and only got ONE stick of ram...:p But I immediately realized my error and picked up another stick...
Obviously someone tampered with your post above ;)
Originally posted by pointreyes
Interestingly, something did not work out correctly with a computer build I did so I had to give up my Barton/Asus system and now have my TBredB/Epox system <snip>
Yeah, I don't know what it is with Barton...I'm wondering if there are still some bios issues or some problems with winXP...@2.2Ghz it didn't seem any faster than my TBredB @ 2.4Ghz :confused:
pointreyes
08-06-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
Yeah, I don't know what it is with Barton...I'm wondering if there are still some bios issues or some problems with winXP...@2.2Ghz it didn't seem any faster than my TBredB @ 2.4Ghz :confused:
Hmmm. I notice that my XP2100 rated as an XP2600 really does seem faster than the XP2500 I have. :scratch: :wack:
DAPUNISHER
08-07-2003, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by pointreyes
Hmmm. I notice that my XP2100 rated as an XP2600 really does seem faster than the XP2500 I have. :scratch: :wack: In most situations outside of benchmarks it will be faster if both are at the same fsb thanks to the higher clcokspeed if you are going by t-bred PR vs Barton PR anyways. When Tom's did the huge CPU comparison they were using a 266fsb 2600+ and that's why the Barton 2500+ was laying the smackdown on it much more so than the extra cache. I don't know if it's the way the cache is inplemented or what, but the 512 cache has not done for the AMD what it did for the Intel :(
It does seem to help on ditributed computing projects and video encoding though, my 2500+@2.31ghz 400DDR dual channel synch is definitely faster than my 2100+@2.4ghz 400DDR dual channel synch was at DVD2SVCD or SETI despite the 100mhz advantage.
Well so far so good. Got my NF7-S v2.0 and an XP1700+ (JIUHB:0310XPMW) and an SLK-800 w/40cfm Panaflow and HyperX PC3500 (2x256MB). Booted up at 2Ghz at 1.5 volts right from the start :) This mobo must be fresh off the assembly line - it shipped with the v1.8 bios :eek: :)
Running at 1.65v vCore (just to be safe) and 10.5x217MHz (2280Mhz according to CPU-Z). I'll break it in a few more days before trying to pump it up a bit more. Running nice and stable w/idle temps < 40C and load temps in the low 40's (room temp = 25C).
Miss my H2O system just a little bit right now, since this looks like a real nice proc and would probably hit 2.5Ghz easy with real good cooling :D
This system is running much better than my previous NF7-S v2.0 (shipped w/1.4 bios) and XP2500+ (@ > 3200+) :beer:
DAPUNISHER
08-08-2003, 11:57 PM
Good deal XJ :cool: I'm having a heck of time talking myself out of a NF7-S for 114.95 shipped from Googlegear when I read posts like this.
Well now I'm at 11x215 @ 1.70v (2370 Mhz). My memory will go much higher than this (checked it out by using a lower fsb and using the fsb/dram ratio to get higher mem clocks). So I'd need to do a chipset vMod to go much higher on the fsb. This is 99% stable (Sandra burn-in fails after 20+ cycles, but everything else runs fine :scratch:
Max load temps in the mid 40's.
Mikki
08-11-2003, 11:48 AM
XJ, are you using any kind of aftermarket cooling for the NB? :)
pointreyes
08-11-2003, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by Mikki
XJ, are you using any kind of aftermarket cooling for the NB? :)
I don't know about XJ but I'm rather pleased with the Zalman 6000Cu. Last week, I switched from the relatively loud Volcano 9+ to the Zalman and wow what a difference in noise. The Zalman is blowing air on the HS and NB. No change in temps going from the Volcano to the Zalman. I also switch from AS3 to AS Creamique.
http://www.zalman.co.kr/images/october/6000cua.gif
Mikki
08-11-2003, 12:06 PM
pointreyes, do you have any test results from the switch? Like before/after mobo/cpu temps? :)
pointreyes
08-11-2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Mikki
pointreyes, do you have any test results from the switch? Like before/after mobo/cpu temps? :)
Mobo/cpu temps have not changed at all (have no screen shots though :( ). I will starting folding with it shortly to see what happens with noise but not even the AS Creamique seems to make a difference. AS made an interesting statement about applying the AS C on the AMD dies-simply put a small drop on the die and take the HS and move it back and forth on the die and that's it. Lot easier than using AS3. :)
Mikki
08-11-2003, 12:26 PM
That's pretty interesting....:)
Originally posted by Mikki
XJ, are you using any kind of aftermarket cooling for the NB? :)
Just the stock abit "orb". From some reviews I've seen, the after market coolers don't make much of an improvement - but that's with the stock vDD levels (1.7v max). If I do a vMod, I'll probably set my max to 1.9v (ie, add 200mv). I may take the abit orb off and apply some as3, maybe abit did a lame job of apply the white paste...
Edit: typo (vCC now reads vDD as it should)
pointreyes - you're using a zalman on your NB :confused: :eek:
pointreyes
08-11-2003, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
pointreyes - you're using a zalman on your NB :confused: :eek:
No but due to the size and location of the 92mm fan the HS and NB both get the benefits of the fan blowing air onto them.
Mikki
08-11-2003, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
Just the stock abit "orb". From some reviews I've seen, the after market coolers don't make much of an improvement - but that's with the stock vCC levels (1.7v max). If I do a vMod, I'll probably set my max to 1.9v (ie, add 200mv). I may take the abit orb off and apply some as3, maybe abit did a lame job of apply the white paste...
Thanks for the info...;) I was just curious. I'd be interested in seeing what some good NB cooling would do for the OC...:)
Argh!!!!
Well, I noticed a few problems playing games yesterday (ut2k3). This board had been flawless when I first got it. Anyway, so today I dropped the settings down to 210x10.5 to be safe. Now I am getting more problems (lag, skipping, etc) both in instant mode and online (online is just worse).
This is exactly what happened to me with my last NF7-S v2.0. The last time I had a barton and thought that something with the board didn't like the barton. Now this is happening to me with a TbredB.
This is very annoying! My NF7-S v1.2 was a dream except that it wouldn't go over 200Mhz fsb. It's still running great on my wifes machine. I don't know what's going on here. Blargh!
Well, now I'm at 200x11 @ 1.65v and everything is fine. Blah, how boring. I see all these people with 220+Mhz fsb (w/o volt mods) with this board, don't know why I keep getting lame ones :rolleyes:
I don't know if a volt mod is even worth it...
Mikki
08-12-2003, 09:25 AM
XJ, have you stress tested your system and if so how? Just curious...;):)
DAPUNISHER
08-12-2003, 09:28 AM
Does that board let you crank the vdd up?
Mikki,
Yes, I rely mostly on SuperPI (seems to be really good at finding the best cpu speed/vCore ratio) and Sandra Burnin Wizard (which I just run continuously, 100% cpu, max stress). Plus I loop 3Dmark to make sure the vid is ok. If all of these work out, then I'm happy.
DAPUNISHER
Yes, it maxes out at 1.7v, but as it turns out, that's not really good enough for only 210MHz fsb, because I start getting random (infrequent) errors even at that speed.
This proc is probably good for 2.3Ghz air cooled (running 2.2 right now to rule out that as a problem), and the memory is good for at least 220Mhz. At this point, I'm starting not to care. I just want it stable.
pointreyes
08-12-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
Yes, I rely mostly on SuperPI (seems to be really good at finding the best cpu speed/vCore ratio) and Sandra Burnin Wizard (which I just run continuously, 100% cpu, max stress). Plus I loop 3Dmark to make sure the vid is ok. If all of these work out, then I'm happy.
I think you might want to Prime95 it as well. This will further help to ensure the proc is handling ALU correctly (AMD is normally better then Intel with the ALU :cool: ) and the memory appears to be tested quite well with Prime95.
Ha HaHa HaHaHaaaaaaaaaa
Well, I started getting some application crashes (even after dropping my OC settings), so I did a winxp repair off the CD. This has always work well for me - till now :(
After the repair I was getting random OS crashes shortly after starting up :eek:
So now I'm off to do a clean install. Yay - NOT! Hmmm, and stupid me, I hadn't understood that Excaliberpc doesn't really take RMAs for most stuff (if you have an RMA - send it to the OEM :eyepop: ). Guess I won't buy from them again....
This is about as much fun as I had trying to get a good P4 system last year (went through two procs and three boards and finally gave up figuring everyones QC depts had taken 3 months off) :rolleyes:
Mikki
08-12-2003, 12:16 PM
XJ, look at it this way buddy...you're showing those of us wanting to play with AMD stuff what not to get....thanks for the help! :);)
LOL :lol: I'll drink to that :beer:
pointreyes
08-12-2003, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by Mikki
XJ, look at it this way buddy...you're showing those of us wanting to play with AMD stuff what not to get....thanks for the help! :);)
:lol:
Sooooo what's next XJ? The Gigabyte board? Or are you going to wait and spend a couple grand more for an Opteron system? :p
A gun - that's what's next. I need to do another clean install, blargh :rolleyes:
DAPUNISHER
08-12-2003, 11:05 PM
You need a SN45G like me :) Dynamite comes in small packages! (http://pichosting.pcthike.com/DAPUNISHER/Cfour) :cool: Ultra400 chipset, good overclocker and just a sweet lookin' baby!
pointreyes
08-13-2003, 06:20 AM
I like my Shuttle also. However, I got the older model since I was not aware of the Ultra400 coming out. :mad: Oh well, it's still a great little system that I have built for my wife. Like DAPUNISHER's, I have a DVD drive in mine. I was going to use it for multi-media but discovered that since I had to get the Epox back that I might as well switch the Epox back to multi-media. The onboard nVidia MX440 graphics is surprising good on my XFS and I use all 128Meg of shared memory since I have a Gig of RAM in it. :rolleyes:
http://www.shuttle.com/new/product/barebone/specs_b.asp?B_id=11
DAPUNISHER
08-13-2003, 09:33 AM
The G2 you have is very popular and they have a great deal on them after rebates. Thanx to the LG DVD/CDRW combo drive there's nothing else mine needs but my DVD+R/+RW and I intend to just switch them around soon since I can really use the 4.7GB disc for storing all the stuff I capture.
pointreyes
08-13-2003, 09:40 AM
Due to all the hardware changes in the near future (like PCI Express, serial buses, serial drives, etc) I have vowed to never get a IDE based DVD burner-I'm saving up for the Sony USB 2.0 burner. :)
Mikki
08-13-2003, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
A gun - that's what's next. I need to do another clean install, blargh :rolleyes:
lol! :lol: Are you gonna pull an Office Space XJ? PC Load Letter?!!! Hehe....:p
DAPUNISHER
08-13-2003, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by pointreyes
Due to all the hardware changes in the near future (like PCI Express, serial buses, serial drives, etc) I have vowed to never get a IDE based DVD burner-I'm saving up for the Sony USB 2.0 burner. :) It'd be nice if I had the 4x burner but I got my 2.4x for 100$ and it's the rebadged Ricoh that has been reviewed so well. Mine has been a jewel so far and the price was rightous so I'm happy :) I just flashed the firmware for 4x Disc support and it was silky smooth. I'll make it a secondary and buy a USB2.0 like yourself down the road a bit most likely.
Well. I did a clean install upgraded everything and tossed in 3DMark and UT2k3 - both crash on me. The both ran fine on practically the same hardware (NF7-S v1.2).
This is very annoying. After my last debacle with Intel, I decided to hate them for a while. Now it looks like I'm going to have to hate AMD for a while. That leaves me with not much else :(
DAPUNISHER
08-13-2003, 11:05 PM
No offense XJ butn you are starting to look like the X-factor in all this :p J/K Pardon me if I missed it but what vid card do you have again? and are you absolutely certain you've eliminated heat, flakey ram or PSU, and driver conflicts?
pointreyes
08-14-2003, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
This is very annoying. After my last debacle with Intel, I decided to hate them for a while. Now it looks like I'm going to have to hate AMD for a while. That leaves me with not much else :(
Sun workstations are quite nice. :) USB, firewire, fast drives, great graphics card, highly reliable OS (Solaris), and 64-bit SPARC procs. The workstation I want is only $20,000.
http://www.sun.com/desktop/sunblade2000/images/sunblade2k_b_c.jpg
Originally posted by DAPUNISHER
No offense XJ butn you are starting to look like the X-factor in all this :p J/K Pardon me if I missed it but what vid card do you have again? and are you absolutely certain you've eliminated heat, flakey ram or PSU, and driver conflicts?
PSU has servered me well for several machines, as has the the RAM (which I'm running below spec right now anyway). Cooling is fine and I've changed drives (two different nForce drivers and three vid card drivers). The vid card is a Gainward GF4 Ultra 650 GS. With my last NF7-S v2.0 board I had a bit of trouble with this card and a lot of trouble with a Radeon 9800. So maybe the two boards I got are just screwed up visa vi the agp card :confused:
Right now I'm trying to get Excaliber to take the system back (less the 15% of course). Looking over their RMA policy, they don't do this (must have read it wrong the first time). If they resist I mention that I'll never do business with them again and see if I can come to some sort of agreement with them. It seems as though I got two NF7-S v2.0 that didn't like my GF4 or Radeon 9800 :( So, my feeling is that I need a new board - maybe I'll switch over to Intel if things work out :rolleyes:
Originally posted by pointreyes
Sun workstations are quite nice. :) USB, firewire, fast drives, great graphics card, highly reliable OS (Solaris), and 64-bit SPARC procs. The workstation I want is only $20,000.
Solaris suXors!!! I used a Sparc 20 for about 3 years running SunOS, then I used a dual sparc 20 and an Utra Sparc for about 4 years (less frequently though). Doing anything in Java on the Solaris Boxes was a nightmare (and Sun makes Java!!!).
SunOS was reliable at aleast - I had good uptimes, Solaris...NOT!
pointreyes
08-14-2003, 08:45 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
PSU has servered me well for several machines, as has the the RAM.
I said the same thing with my Enermax 431w and I had problems with my 9500 Pro and had strange memory problems. :( Replaced the PSU with an Antec 550w (TrueControl) and all those problems when away. I'm now using a 9800 Pro in the system and still no problems. The only thing that made me think that the PSU was a problem was the cold solder point that went !pop! on my first GA board-instead of the PSU shutting off-it continued to run as more and more smoke from the motherboard fumed my house.
All the rails are staying solid in the Windbond Harddware Doctor, so I don't see a problem.
Hi Guys - Missed my AMD buds - been way too busy a summer!
Not too long ago, I was working on making the Gigabyte 7NNXP the core of my main system. Never really did figure out what kept it from perfect stability until too late. Turned out the be the Enermax Whisper 431W, despite what looked like rock solid rails. Very strange indeed.
Gotta say XJ, my 550 True Control is the single best purchase I've made in the last 2 years. It drives my dually 2100+ (at 2266mhz ea.) with perfect stability all day and night.
PS - PR, I just got back from a road trip driving north from San Francisco to Seattle. Drove right by Point Reyes :) Then later I thought of you again as we drove north on 5 from Eugene to Portland (past Dallas, of course). :beer:
Hi Noah :-)
Hmm... well, if my TruPower 480 were a problem, how would I tell :confused: Funny, it seemed to be fine with my 2.4Ghz NF7-S v1.2 system. This new system is drawing less power right now and still is buggy - :scratch:
Anyway. I've decided to send back the Athlon system. I'm going to cobble something together just to do emails an surf the web for now. In about a month or so, the new Canterwood boards supporting Prescott will be out and I'll put together an Intel system then. I'm actually considering getting an Intel board (no overclocking :eek: ) since they have a stellar reputation for being stable.
Originally posted by XJ.
I'm actually considering getting an Intel board (no overclocking :eek: ) since they have a stellar reputation for being stable.
A year ago, I never would have said this, but now, I whole heartedly agree with you. I hardly find myself drooling over the latest abit tweaker board like I used to. At long last, I just want it to work. I even have to admit that part of the reason I have 3 AMD duallies is because they are workstation boards, and extremely stable when set up right.
I don't think prescott will win me back to intel though. Going by Ed's recent article (http://www.overclockers.com/articles807/) over at overclockers.com, it doesn't look like prescott will offer all that much over the current NW crop. In that time, AMD might have a window of opportunity.
Mikki
08-15-2003, 12:14 PM
noah, it's great to see your posts again mate...:)
XJ, any ideas what you're going to throw together in the mean time? :)
pointreyes
08-15-2003, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Mikki
XJ, any ideas what you're going to throw together in the mean time? :)
http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/73314e34e25de2/www.apple.com/powermac/images/indexfamily06232003.jpg :p
pointreyes
08-15-2003, 12:45 PM
Or how about a fun project like one of these?
http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp
sodface
08-15-2003, 12:57 PM
Or how about a fun project like one of these?
http://www.mini-itx.com/projects.asp
Oh man... I gotta build one. :yummy:
Mikki
08-15-2003, 01:58 PM
lol!! :-) :lol:
A MAC :eek2:
LOL! Actually, they aren't too bad with OSX and the new faster procs (so I hear). Way too many $$s for what you get though.
:lol: the mini-itx's are funny, but not for me.
I'll probably rebuild an A7N266-C that I was about to sell and use that for a 4-6 weeks till the new boards are out en masse. I've got a couple other boards (actually stripped down systems) soon to raise some funds for my computer budget :)
Originally posted by noah
I don't think prescott will win me back to intel though. Going by Ed's recent article (http://www.overclockers.com/articles807/) over at overclockers.com, it doesn't look like prescott will offer all that much over the current NW crop. In that time, AMD might have a window of opportunity.
Well, something Ed isn't talking about is the 1MB cache that Prescott with have. It will also have improved HT, SSE3 (best I can remember) and twice the ALU execution rate (theoritically) - from stuff I've picked up on the web over the past 6 months. So lets say the average IPC is up only 20%**, that means that a 3.4Ghz Prescott will ~= 4Ghz Northwood. And a 4Ghz Prescott... well you get the picture.
Add to that people who have good H2O systems and exotic hardware like the Prometeia Mach II which can remove 200W of heat (http://www.chip-con.com/index.php?pageid=43) and some people will be getting insane peformance with Prescott especially after the die shrink.
Since I won't have much of a budget (unless a couple potential software contracts go through), I'll be getting a 2.4Ghz P4 to start and upgrading to a 3.6Ghz Prescott maybe a year from now when they actually are decently priced - well, for a P4. I think that Prescott is going to kick @ss :D
For those that upgrade frequently or can wait for the next chipset (grantsdale???) - they'll get dual channel DDRII @ 533Mhz, 1066Mhz FSB*, PCI express...basically a digital rocketship IMO.
* Oops, not till a bit later on...
**And for re-coded Apps and portions of the OS, it'll definitely be higher than that.
Heh, Noah, you got me looking at PSU's now. I ran across this monster tubro-cool 510 deluxe (http://www.pcpowercooling.com/pdf/hp-510-atx-pfc.pdf). Up to 400w on the 12v rail and up to 300w on the 3.3v + 5v rails* :eyepop:
I had tried PCP&C once before, but had a board that had un-fixable voltage problems and decided that the expense of their PSU wasnt' worth it - now you have me thinking again....
* peak, not sustained of course, but this rating is at 40C!
pointreyes
08-16-2003, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by noah
PS - PR, I just got back from a road trip driving north from San Francisco to Seattle. Drove right by Point Reyes :) Then later I thought of you again as we drove north on 5 from Eugene to Portland (past Dallas, of course). :beer:
Wow, how did I miss this post? Now you know the reason why I choose the name Pointreyes. :cool: I'm a native Marylander but I moved to the west due to the coast and mainly for Point Reyes-I miss that place so much with the white cliffs that supposedly makes people think of the Dover cliffs in England. Hmmmm, my last name is most definitely English and it most definitely is related to water-my last name is even a city in England. I-5 is only 30 minutes driving distance from my house in Dallas. However, I do work in Salem. You were real close bud. :)
shimmishim
08-16-2003, 06:30 PM
but there is only dallas to me....
and that's in texas!!! :D :D
... i miss home...
pointreyes
08-16-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by shimmishim
but there is only dallas to me....
and that's in texas!!! :D :D
... i miss home...
:lol: I like Dallas Oregon more. :cool: However after planting two Bufferfly Bushes I'm starting to wonder if living in a place that is green year round is really all it's cracked up to be. :p :rolleyes: :D
Hmm.. don't think I'm going to go for a more expensive PSU right now. I can't get one in in time before I have to ship out my system under RMA (unless I pay $$s for shipping).. so I'll hold off and hope that the next mobo I get has real good on board power regulation.
Right now I'm thinking of going with an Intel D875PBZ (after the the vreg enhancement to FMB 1.5) and a 2.4 or 2.6C.
Originally posted by XJ.
Right now I'm thinking of going with an Intel D875PBZ (after the the vreg enhancement to FMB 1.5) and a 2.4 or 2.6C.
I'd definitely go for just one thing at a time. It's possible that this board will solve the stability issues. Intel's own are known for very accurate and steady voltage readings.
Originally posted by pointreyes
Wow, how did I miss this post? Now you know the reason why I choose the name Pointreyes. :cool: I'm a native Marylander but I moved to the west due to the coast and mainly for Point Reyes-I miss that place so much with the white cliffs that supposedly makes people think of the Dover cliffs in England. Hmmmm, my last name is most definitely English and it most definitely is related to water-my last name is even a city in England. I-5 is only 30 minutes driving distance from my house in Dallas. However, I do work in Salem. You were real close bud. :)
I wish I'd had more time to check out Point Reyes. It's cool that one place in the country can touch you like that - bring you back. Now you have me wondering what your last name is... :)
pointreyes
08-20-2003, 09:43 PM
My Epox 8rda was acting strange. And Linux SuSE 8.2 was nearly impossible to install. The ASuS A7N8x DLX Rev. 2.0 was able to handle SuSE but not the Epox. So, I decided to get an Abit NF-S v2.0. I never even bothered with starting the proc at default XP2100 settings. Instead I took all three sticks of RAM and the proc to 2,2,2,6 timings and the proc to 200fsb-no problem whatsoever. Oddly, the system seems to be like a new computer-all I changed was the motherboard and due to the onboard sound, I removed the Santa Cruz. I'm going to attempt to install w2k3 Web Server and see if I get the same quirks I had with the Epox.
GL with the NF7! What happened to your A7N8X?
I'm computerless at the moment (well, I'm using my wife's system). I was going to build a temporary system using my old A7N266-C (which was working fine 2 months ago), but it appears to be dead now :(
pointreyes
08-21-2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
GL with the NF7! What happened to your A7N8X?
The NF7 has been working great for me, so far.
The A7N8x had to be exchanged with the person I sold the Epox to because he was having some very strange problems with the board. In the process, I had him compensate for the lost I was taking for providing him with the more expensive Asus board which also had my Barton on it. I took one of the two sticks of XMS3200C2 of 256Meg each. The Abit board is running with 1.256 Gigs of RAM filling all three slots.
pointreyes
08-25-2003, 04:18 PM
Follow up the Abit.
Trying to install SuSE 8.2 Pro on my Epox 8rda would generate the following problems:
CRC error trying to install (sorry, don't even bother to mention the 'check the cable' recommendation-it's not the cable :) ).
3c905 NIC would not work!!! Yes, that really bothered me-this is a 3c905 - good grief, one of the best cards to use in non-Windows OSes.
UDMA Mode was not turned on-did it manually
Those problems did not occur when installing SuSE on the Abit board. :cool: BTW: UDMA was at 100, I changed it to UDMA133. Again this was not a cable issue, I even used the same exact cables on the exchange between the boards and the connections were done the same way.
Hey PR - do you use hdparm to change the UDMA mode? Is there a Suse utility?
I've been adding a line to my rc.local file to do it in :cool: slackware :cool: - but on occasion it hangs when issuing the hdparm command.
Since I reboot so rarely, It hasn't been a big problem, but it would be nice to fix it.
pointreyes
08-25-2003, 06:35 PM
Actually SuSE lets you change the DMA setting through YaST2. It's under the Hardware tab, select the IDE DMA Mode option. Never bothered with hdparm.
Originally posted by pointreyes
Actually SuSE lets you change the DMA setting through YaST2. It's under the Hardware tab, select the IDE DMA Mode option. Never bothered with hdparm.
Indeed. Another example of what sets Suse apart. I enjoyed running suse, but I think I've found my home with Slack :)
pointreyes
08-26-2003, 06:26 AM
:lol: This is funny. I have been having a strange problem with my LCD monitor. Solved it this morning-it was the cabling! Ok, so it was not the cabling with the computer system but it was with the monitor. :p :rolleyes:
Hmm, you guys are almost tempting me to try linux again, SuSe seems to be pretty cool. Hey PR, does it run on the A7N8X (I mean, is it easy to set up and has good support :) ) ?
pointreyes
08-26-2003, 07:50 AM
Linux SuSE 8.2 Pro runs great on the A7N8x Dlx that I had. It even recognized the SATA drive on the SI controller. I had the Santa Cruz sound card in the ASuS board but I switched to onboard sound and suspect that SuSE would recognize the on-board sound because it does with the Abit board. I'm currently using a Ti4200 on this installation but you can go as high as the ATi 9700 for ATi cards and nVidia provides very good drivers for the SuSE (finally :rolleyes: ) for using the newer cards.
Thanks, now that I have an 80G drive (Seagate 7200 w/8MB cache - fast and quiet as a mouse), I have room to play around a bit. First thing will be making sure XP is stable!
Well I have my A7N8X (v2.0) setup and running after a bit of difficulty. Currently I'm running at only 185Mhz on an XP 2500+ (2.2Ghz w/12x). It locks up at 200Mhz in windows. So far I think the problem is that that the SPP HS isn't on right, since it is only slighty warm to the touch at even 200Mhz. I pull the board off later pop the HS and reseat it with some AS3 - hopefully it'll do 200Mhz - I'm not looking for bleeding edge right now, just a decently fast system.
The cpu I have is a "AQXEA 0330VPMW". Now I've seen some of these AQXEA 0330s reach 2.6Ghz on air and some A7N8Xs go as into the low 220s for fsbs - so something just isn't right here. I'm running the 1006 bios right now.
Definitely looking foward to hearing your journey to 200fsb. It really should make it there without too much difficulty. That board has chipset voltage adjust, correct?
Hi Noah. Yeah, I expected it to hit 200 no problem. One person, I think on ABX had trouble hitting 200 and found that the SPP HS wasn't making much contact with the SPP. Since my SPP HS is barely warming up, I think that that may be my problem (I hope, since it's easy to change).
No soft chipset setting in the bios that I'm aware of, though it seems that someone on ABX was able to change the chipset voltage easily. So maybe I'm missing something*.
I do have to say, the Abit NF7 v2.0 boards are easier to work with bios wise, but I like the board layout a bit more on this Asus.
*Maybe they were using an "Uber" bios or the like, I'm going to have to find out.
Yay!
Asus change log for 1005 series bios :-
1) Fix large data transfer failed under Win2K and WinXP with hard disks configured as RAID0
2) Enhance system stability
These Über bios's are based on the Asus 1005 series bios build.
1) This revision has more Q-fan options to select.
2) There are also more options for the UART2 connector like 'smart card' and 'ASKIR'.
3) Also the AUTO mode for the printer port IO/IRQ allocation has been made selectable.
4) S3(STR) is now selectable for option 'ACPI Suspend to RAM'.
5) Additional Power On By PS/2 Keyboard/Power On By PS/2 Mouse options are available.
6) DDR Reference Voltage selection choices now range from 2.6V - 2.9V.
7) AGP VDDQ Voltage selection choices now range from 1.5v - 1.8V.
8 ) CHIP Voltage Control selection choices now range from 1.6V - 1.9V
9) Update SiliconImage Sil3112A BIOS to v4.2.12.
10) removed Asus Fullscreen logo as there was not room for the new SATA bios otherwise.
:cool: :cool: :cool:
Originally posted by XJ.
Yay!
:cool: :cool: :cool:
he he - yep - gotta love those modded bioses. I used to love getting my modded asus bioses from lumberjacker.de.
Argh!!! On Rev2 boards chipset voltage selector doesn't work! They just show up in the bois. Hahaha.....
Turns out, my memory is the problem though, I dropped the FSB to 166 and used the ratios to get the mem up to 200 and it woundn't load windows! This is the same memory that I had at 220Mhz using the same trick on my Abit board.
I just checked out my Abit board and noticed that while the MCP-T is rev A3, the SPP is only rev A1!!!! Argh!!! Which probably explains the fsb problems with that board. Heck, my NF7-S v1.2 had an A2 stepping SPP! Geez, how can Abit get away with putting a non-ultra 400 SPP in and still calling it an ultra 400 ??!!
What bullsh*t :mad:
Actually, I have my NF7-S (which I forgot to return :eek: ) and I'm running at an FSB of 166 and MemClk of 221Mhz using the fsb/mem ratios and it seems that my ram is fine, it's fsb which is the problem - as would be expected for an A1 stepping SPP :wack:
pointreyes
08-28-2003, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
I just checked out my Abit board and noticed that while the MCP-T is rev A3, the SPP is only rev A1!!!! Argh!!! Which probably explains the fsb problems with that board. Heck, my NF7-S v1.2 had an A2 stepping SPP! Geez, how can Abit get away with putting a non-ultra 400 SPP in and still calling it an ultra 400 ??!!
I'm so confused. :confused: I'm not having a single problem running my NF7-S at 200fsb with three sticks of RAM (512Meg x 2 - XMS3500C2 and 256Meg x 1 - XMS3200C2). I'm using 2,2,2,6 timings. Even the temps are low-much lower than I even expected-guess I applied the right amount of AS Creamique on the bugger. I will have to check my SPP I see. I made sure I got the version 2.0 board but I think that is what you have as well-isn't it? :wack:
Yes it says v2.0 and I confirmed that using CPUid - dunno, my luck with AMD/NF2 systems contines to s*ck :( (Well, aside from the NF7-S v1.2 which ran fine right up to 200Mhz, doh!).
By playing around with fsb/mem ratios, I found that I can run either the mem or the fsb at or above 200Mhz, but not both at the same time.
So I can run:
Mem/fsb
220/166 - no problem
174/210 - no problem
200/200 - crashes out of windows.
That A1 SPP chip must be the culprit since the mem and cpu each taken alone are fine.
What a strange problem. Out of curiosity - do you get the same results dual channel as you do single channel?
pointreyes
08-28-2003, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by noah
What a strange problem. Out of curiosity - do you get the same results dual channel as you do single channel?
I get around 1400~1500 unbuffered with all three sticks on mine. Haven't tried single channel on this Abit but on the Epox there was a 300 point drop using single stick instead of two or three. The 1400~1500 is what I used to get on the Epox so I suspect that that's ok with the Abit as well.
My first nforce2 boards was an A7N8X (rev. 1.04) and it had problems with running dual channel. I'm just wondering if XJ will get different fsb/mem speed limits with only 2 DIMM slot filled.
pointreyes
08-28-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by noah
My first nforce2 boards was an A7N8X (rev. 1.04) and it had problems with running dual channel. I'm just wondering if XJ will get different fsb/mem speed limits with only 2 DIMM slot filled.
I remember getting only 1100 unbuffered on my A7N8x Deluxe with the same sticks I'm using in my Abit.
I may try that noah - I'm going back to the Asus because it overclocks better with this barton than the Abit does and because I took the HS off the SPP of the Asus and found the thermal compound was making very little contact with the chip.
I'm guessing that if I re-install the SPP HS with some AS3 I'll be able to run at 200Mhz, we'll see ;)
Oh, and the SPP on the Asus v2.0 board is an A1 stepping, so the Ultra400s are now A1 steppings of a revised chip it seems (compared to the A3 stepping I had on my first Ultra400 chip - that, or I'm losing my memory ;) ).
Hopefully I'll get around to this today, if MS' servers come back up so that I can re-activate XP (have to do it over the phone this time, too many activations :( )
Don't you have a certain amt of time after you install before you active? I would finish tinkering and getting the hardware sorted out before bothering to active again.
pointreyes
08-28-2003, 11:50 AM
Originally posted by noah
Don't you have a certain amt of time after you install before you active? I would finish tinkering and getting the hardware sorted out before bothering to active again.
Ditto. I waited 45 days b4 activating w2k3 ES-it comes with a 90 day period.
Well, with 5 mobo changes in the past 2 months, swapping out a couple of vid cards, new HD and numerous installs of nVidia's chipset drivers (which in and of themselves cause simple INET re-activation requests) XP had enough. It wouldn't let me log and an requires me to phone support for some hideously large activation number. Oh well, that's the least of my worries ;)
pointreyes
08-28-2003, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
Well, with 5 mobo changes in the past 2 months, swapping out a couple of vid cards, new HD and numerous installs of nVidia's chipset drivers (which in and of themselves cause simple INET re-activation requests) XP had enough. It wouldn't let me log and an requires me to phone support for some hideously large activation number. Oh well, that's the least of my worries ;)
The funny thing about XP Pro is that I only use it on two of my computers and yet I have 10 licenses. :rolleyes: I haven't had to call MS in quite some time. :)
Well I have the Asus back up running Bios v1006 - it boots into Windows, but it's not 100% stable (superPI bombs after a bit). It looks the the SPP HS isn't flat, so the AS2 I put under it, while better than the pink stuff Asus used, still isn't making 100% contact. I need to lap it, or get an after market HSF. At least I'm making progress - all I want is 200x11 stable :)
pointreyes
08-28-2003, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
...or get an after market HSF.
Just use the one off your Abit board. :p ;)
Originally posted by pointreyes
Just use the one off your Abit board. :p ;)
Eh, the company probably won't like that! :lol:
I can run @ 11.5x190Mhz (1.72v vCore according to Asus Probe). Not bad, but I'll definitely have to do some work to get to 11x200 ;)
What is it with these freaking NF2 Ultra400 boards!!!!! I had bumped my settings up to 12x190 which was running fine and yesterday I had to drop down to 12x185 because I was getting lag cpu lag in 3d games. Now I'm starting to see problems at this setting. Just like the last boards, instead of getting better as they break in, they get worse :mad: And the temps have actually been lower the past couple of days! ARGH!!! I hate AMD&nVidia!!!
Seems like you've really hit some bad luck on this one - I mean, the system isn't even able to perform at intended specs. That's just not right. There's got to be something wrong...
For the sake of commiserating, I would like to share that yesterday I burned out a perfectly good mobo (Gigabyte 7VAXP). Blown capacitors. Not it won't power on :cry:
pointreyes
09-02-2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
ARGH!!! I hate AMD&nVidia!!!
If it makes you feel any better. http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=530463#post530463
:)
Wow Noah, that sucks! And pointreyes is just luvin' Intel stuff (lol - great posts!) - we must be the unlucky trio or something.
I mean, I've had problems with 3 NF2 Ultra400 boards with hardware that worked perfectly fine on a plain NF2 (non-ultra board). Duh!
pointreyes
09-02-2003, 06:34 PM
What I think is funny is the myth that Intel fanboys make of the AMD procs burning up and killing your motherboard and that would never happen with an Intel due to it's thermal protection.
December 2002, my P4-2.53 had to be RMA'ed as did my ASuS P4PE. Reason: The proc was overheating and the board died. The processor was never oc'ed. :rolleyes: And the real kicker to all this is that it took me using the dreadful Asus P4S8X board to figure out what happened. :lol:
Take that you Intel fanboys. :D :na: :na:
Well, I'm not an Intel or AMD fanboy at the moment. I sold my H2O cooling gear to a fellow ABXer, so I may give Intel a wack(since I have the extra $100 it cost for a good Intel board). Maybe a 2.4C and a P4C800-E deluxe, seems like folks are liking those. That, or maybe I should go for an AMD duallie, seems like those are pretty stable... to bad you're stuck with lame PC2100 (I wish they had at least updated the platform to PC2700).
Eh, maybe I'll just get a DHell instead :lol:
pointreyes
09-02-2003, 07:25 PM
There are two computers that I use the most out of my four. The Intel system with the perceived 2 cpu system and my AMD dually. I lean on my dually for most of the hard work. It is the only 'puter that I trust to fold because the Intel system gets to hot. :p The dually is a great system even with using only PC2100. There's even a barton MP proc but it's only 266fsb. :rolleyes:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?catalog=343&DEPA=1&submit=property&mfrcode=0&propertycode=&propertycodevalue=4158,4572
A DHell? I thought you wanted a dually-get an Apple. :p
Ouch $245 for a 2.08Ghz MP! Yeah, an Apple, that's it! Oh, they only cost min $2.5K :eek2: Hehe..
Hmm, even $145 for an MP 2400+ (x2 = 290! + $200 board, ewww...). The Tbird MP 1.2Ghz is only $55 :-) and with two of them I wouldn't need to heat the top floor in the winter :rotflmao:
pointreyes
09-02-2003, 09:02 PM
I had the 1.2 Tbird. My two MP2400 procs run much, much cooler. It was these two procs using retail HSF and even the retail thermal pad that when my house was hitting 92F that this dually was still folding. Just mod two XP2100 procs if you want. Tony is oc'ing with XP procs I think and he is using the same mb as me. Note: Ozzie asked me once if my 3Ware controller could handle oc'ing. I took my dually to 150fsb and it worked just fine. I do have thermal protection on the system so that if it reaches 80C, it will shutdown-hasn't shutdown yet. :cool:
What's the success rate on modding TBredBs to be MPs? Is the Iwill the best one out there?
Actually, I think all of the dual MP boards do just fine with that mod - which makes sense, since the mod is done to the processor and not the board. I've modded 4 chips, for 2 dually setups on MSI K7Dmaster(L)'s - all 4 chips were 2100+ tbreds. I also have a dual 1.2ghz machine. Note - the 1.2ghz is NOT a thunderbird. It's a palomino, and only shares the oldstyle ceramic.
Oh, I didn't mean which is the best board for modded cpus, since I think that that'd be something independent of the mobo. I just wonder what the success rate was on modding XP's (TBreds) to be MPs?
Aside from that, I wonder what is considered the best MP board, IWill, GB, MSI? (Well, Tyan is probably very good, but with nothing to play with in the bois ;) ). My understanding is that as far as fsb overclocks go, 150Mhz is about it. I don't know if I'd even go for fsb overclocks, since I want stability, but I would like to be able to change the multiplier of unlocked cpus.
The Iwill and MSI have tended to be best for overclocks. The Iwill is very difficult to find now as it was discontinued. The MSI is still around, and it does 150fsb reliably. I run all my duallies at 133fsb though to keep the pci bus in spec.
Oh, no locked pci....ic :(
pointreyes
09-03-2003, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
Oh, no locked pci....ic :(
The AMD760 chipset is old-no surprise to me that the PCI cannot be locked. :) Even though, I can easily reach 150fsb I also prefer 133fsb. I built my dually for stability not oc'ing. That's why the procs still have the retail junk on them-for the warranty. Hopefully, next year will be the year to finally switch to the Opteron platform.
pointreyes
09-03-2003, 03:03 PM
Looks like I might be selling my Abit system. If that happens I would then might have enough to consider an Opteron system. :cool: It would have to be the Asus board though with the 140 proc, but with my Crucial PC3200 ECC I might be able to oc that proc a little bit. Another reviewer was oc'ing the 240 on the Asus board using Crucial PC2700 ECC.
The Opteron systems look nice, but it just doesn't seem to be a good time to buy them with changing in the wings (940 pins now, 939 later for the less expensive Athlon FX).
I'm starting to wonder if the problems I'm having have something to do with my memory. Maybe the Ultra 400 chipset doesn't like my HyperX 3500 :confused: That could be why I could do 200/200 (mem/fsb) on a normal NF2 but not on an Ultra 400 - maybe 200/200 is more agressive on the Ultra and my HyperX isn't able to keep pace (and maybe when I run 185/215 and the like, the ram is running in a less agressive mode). Dunno - it' got me thinking though.
Maybe I should try some Muskin: http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.html?i=1853
pointreyes
09-03-2003, 03:24 PM
It could be the memory. The Abit I have is version 2.0 so I think it's considered an Ultra 400. I'm using timings of 2-2-2-6 at 200fsb with my XMS3500C2 (2 sticks) and XMS3200C2 (1 stick).
So what do you guys think - Mushkin Level II, CosairXMS or OCZ (have to find out the best 'type' from tony)?
That, or maybe I'll try a new PSU. I don't really want to spend the $$s on an Intel system right now, I'd rather spend it on better parts that can be used in the future (plus I can sell my old parts to offset the cost of an upgrade).
Ozzie
09-03-2003, 05:37 PM
I'll tell you how my memory works on the NF7-S XJ...dual Corsair XMS 3500's and it doesn't like anything but 2,2,2,3...like a rock all the way up to 228 FSB with a Barton.
Seems kind of wierd, but it's true...2,2,2,4 and it's crap...
I'm running a middle-of-the-road power supply (weak 12v line), but I can't say a better one would do me any better...the NF7's seem to like tight timings.
Thanks Ozzie, heck, I'll give it a try...
If I can re-install my vid card. After removing and re-installing the nVidia chipset drivers (just in case that was doing something);I'm stuck with the VGA Save driver, and that won't let me install the correct drivers for my Ti4200 :mad: :mad: :mad:
Crying out loud, what a nut house motherboard! I'm not even running overclocked at the moment :(
pointreyes
09-03-2003, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by XJ.
Thanks Ozzie, heck, I'll give it a try...
If I can re-install my vid card. After removing and re-installing the nVidia chipset drivers (just in case that was doing something);I'm stuck with the VGA Save driver, and that won't let me install the correct drivers for my Ti4200 :mad: :mad: :mad:
Crying out loud, what a nut house motherboard! I'm not even running overclocked at the moment :(
You are going to hate me for saying this but, er, my Abit that is oc'ed to 200fsb is using a Ti4200. Sorry. :(
There's nothing wrong with the 4200, I was just re-installing the nforce chipset drivers, which went fine, except that now I can't install the video card drivers :rolleyes: So this is some sort of software glitch, not hardware. I'm probably going to have to do a winXP repair to fix the problem since it just won't correctly recognize my GF4 and thus installs the vgaSave driver instead - now I'm longing for the days of my A7N266-C :(
Heh. I installed Asus' nForce2 chipset drivers (v1.16) instead of nVidia's (even though people else said to use nVidia). Anyway, I am now running at 11x200 (XP 3200+) and everything seems fine so far (well, after repairing winXP, re-installing SP1, critical updates, blah, blah).
I notice that there is a system device entry (something like Ultra 400 memory controller) that is missing in this earlier build - I'm guessing that was making the difference. SuperPI runs a tad bit slower (by 1 second) compared to the brief run I managed to get with the older driver, so I'm guessing the older driver doesn't make use of some sort of optimization that just doesn't work well with my PC3500 HyperX.
Mystery solved for now...
pointreyes
09-04-2003, 07:10 AM
I for one do not recommend the nVidia drivers. The motherboard manufacturer's nForce2 drivers have proven to be the best for my Epox, Asus, and Abit boards. Windows update even wants to update my drivers to the nVidia set but when I tried that on my Shuttle and Abit-my onboard sound got screwed up. :mad: I now stick with what the manufacturer provides. However for video drivers-nVidia all the way. :)
Spoke too soon, benchmarks and regular apps run fine. Some 3D games crash :( I'll try a different driver for my GF4 and see if that helps. And the saga continues.....
Hah! Now if I change the vid driver I blue screen. It didn't blue screen in 3D apps when I first had the MS GF4 driver installed, but after installing the 45.23 driver and can't go back to any driver with a blue screen or reboot :wack:
Haha, well pointreyes, like you, I'm ready for the funny farm :-)
AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RMA in process. I think I'll see if my brother's old PIII mobo & cpu are still around :p
I'm shooting for the longest AMD thread ;)
Anyway, I decided to order some Mushkin PC3500 Level II (2x256) to see if that will fix my fsb=mem=200Mhz problem. The PC3500 HyperX I have was was rated as such only for single channel operation and isn't up to the same specs as newer memory is. I thought of going with OCZ 3700 Gold, but it was Out of stock at newegg and is even pricier than Mushkin. I should have it by Wednesday. I don't have to send the Asus back till about a week after that, so that gives me a bit more time to play around an see what the real problem is here.
pointreyes
09-08-2003, 04:22 PM
Sold the Canterwood. Time to build an Opteron system with the Tyan K8W. Muhahahahahahaha. :look: Yes, I'm ok-really I am. :look: Ok, ok! I'm nuts. :rolleyes: :D
http://www.tyan.com/products/assets/images/s2885.gif
:lol: It has one 'Legacy 32-bit PCI slot.' :D
Cool, got a link to that?
Yeah, now that I'm seeing benches, the Athlon 64s are looking good, even though they are single channel. The single channel boards should be pretty nicely priced, but the first A64s are going to be more along the lines of Intel pricing :eek:
pointreyes
09-08-2003, 05:41 PM
Here's the link: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8w.html
I'm not interested in the Athlon64 and here's the reason why: http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=536833#post536833
For strictly gaming or desktop fun, yes the Athlon64 is a good proc. I want server based 'fun'; hence, an Opteron. :)
Thanks PR, yeah, Opteron is the way to go for servers!
pointreyes
09-09-2003, 06:04 AM
Well, I have done part of the deal with the system.
I have ordered the Antec 1040 case. I already have a PSU (my Enermax EPS12v currently used on my IWill) for the motherboard. And the K8W is now on the waiting list for shipping out tomorrow if there are enough of them when they get to my order.
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=110819
Haven't order RAM or procs yet. I want to see if I'm really going to get this K8W board this week or late in the month. Late in the month could translate into lower costs for the procs even though I doubt it. I highly doubt the server board will go down for at least a year and the Opterons might go down sometime next year. This is server market stuff so prices don't work the same way. Hehe, I guess the Beggin team will be getting an Opteron for folding. :deviltail
$500 :eek: Well, it is a server board - geez, I could rebuild my system for that price :lol:
GL PR - can't wait to hear how things work out for you :-)
My new DDR is on the Fedex truck so I'll get it today (a day early), what a nice surprise http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif I can't wait to see if it changes things.
Yay! My Mushkin came in and lo and behold, I can run at fsb=mem=200Mhz no problems :) Oh, and at 2-2-2-6 to boot :-)
Now, after running a bit, I'll see if I can do DDR 433 with it as advertised (assuming the A7N8X is up to the task) :yummy:
pointreyes
09-09-2003, 02:05 PM
I just got my XP2500 to replace my sold XP2100 and an ATi 9600 Pro for my sold Ti4200. BTW: I also just sold my Shuttle system. :) I have sold $1,900 worth of hardware in the past two days just so I can get back down to three computers and have dual Opteron. :cool:
Cool, you have to start a new thead under this section once you get it together to report your results (we really need a new thread, this one is getting long, and there aren't many threads in the AMD section :lol: ).
pointreyes
09-11-2003, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by XJ.
Cool, you have to start a new thead under this section once you get it together to report your results (we really need a new thread, this one is getting long, and there aren't many threads in the AMD section :lol: ).
I don't want to start a new thread. I'm representing the Willamette core's pipeline. :p
Just ordered the Opteron 240 procs. It's strange to order two procs at the same time for just a high price. The 240 procs are $273 a piece.
:lol: good one PR.
Well. I'm having problems with my Muskin DDR. Really annoying, I have to run it at relaxed settings now to do 200Mhz 1:1. Otherwise I get errors in 3d game apps (UT2k3 and Tribes2).
I think maybe this Asus board must s*ck, since I've had problems with two pairs of memory sticks now.
Don't know what I'd try next - this is getting real annoying :(
Maybe I'll read up on Epox' newer Ultra 400 board, or maybe I should try to get an older NF2 - alot of those hit 200Mhz with fewer problems than the Utra 400s.
I've blown too much money in shipping and restocking fees to be able to afford a P4 system, so now I'm stuck with AMD...
Wow, Muskin rules!!! I was having problems so they gave me some excellent techinical assistance (in less than 24 hours!) and now I back stable at 200Mhz again. I'm may try pushing it, but I think that this mainboard will be fsb challenged* :rolleyes:
*Unless I want to do a Vdd mod at some point.
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