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eva2000
07-30-2003, 03:49 AM
4x 256MB ADATA PC4000 single sided memory rated for 3-4-4-8
tested on
Albatron PX865PE PRO2 @ 2.85v vdimm
Abit IC7 @ 2.8v vdimm (2.76v real idle vdimm)

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2.4C
MCX4000 rev1 + 120x35mm Sunon 120cfm fan + TT fan speed controller
128MB Gigacube 9600PRO at default
120GB WD 1200JB
Abit IC7 15 bios
vdimm = 2.8v bios (real 2.76v idle voltage)
vAGP = 1.6v
AGP/PCI: Fixed 66/33
NB Strap: 800FSB
HT enabled

Game Accelerator: Auto
Refresh Cycle Time: Auto
Read Delay Adjust: Auto
Read Delay: Auto
Command Per Clock: Auto

PCI Latency: 64
SATA: disabled
Firewire: disabled
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2.4C
MCX4000 rev2 + 92x38mm Sunon 120cfm fan + TT fan speed controller
128MB Gigacube 9600PRO VIVO at default
120GB WD 1200JB
Albatron PX865PE PRO2 1.02 beta bios
vdimm = 2.85v bios
vAGP = 1.6v
AGP/PCI: Fixed 66/33

Enhanced Performance disabled
Extreme timings disabled
OC Stability DDRAM disabled/blanked out

HT enabled
Spread spectrum disabled
Promise IDE Raid disabled
SATA controller disabled
Voice Genie enabled
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notes:

1. Single and 2 stick max oc's have been so far around 274-277mhz at 2.85v on PX865PE PRO2 for memtest86 upto 75mins looping test #5 and #6. I'll be revisiting single and 2 stick ocs and memtest86 stability tests in detail later on.

2. Introducing 4 sticks sees max oc's drop considerably on both PX865PE PRO2 and IC7. I've memtest86 tested 4 sticks looping test #5 and #6 for upto 24+ hrs still haven't found the absolute fault free speed for 4 sticks as yet.
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Memtesting results (4x 256MB ADATA PC4000 @ 3-4-4-8):

So far I've tested memtest86 looping test #5 and #6 for upto 24+hrs and for 4x 256MB ADATA PC4000, oc'ing headroom is way down for 2.76-2.85v vdimm.

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Abit IC7:

Come to conclusion 4 sticks on IC7 won't work due to lack of vcore. Under load in windows vdimm at 2.8v in bios drops to as low as 2.75v. Managed to do some benchies at 233, 250 and 255mhz even though memtest86 errored out.

Memtesting 233mhz 3-4-4-8 at 2.8v (2.76v real idle voltage) failed, after 237mhz 3-4-4-8 failed memtest86 with 18 errors after the 191st pass of test #5 loop, approximately 3hrs 11+ mins into test.

IC7's bios limit doesn't allow for >255mhz 1:1 as the pc boot screen freezes at memory display part, or memtest86 disk doesn't boot and stays at boot screen.

255mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2920MB/s failed 1st pass with 4 errors
250mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2866MB/s failed 5th pass with 12 errors
248mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2838MB/s failed 11th pass with 4 errors
246mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2818MB/s failed 32nd pass with 16 errors
245mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2804MB/s failed 13th pass with 12 errors
243mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2784MB/s failed 10th pass with 12 errors
240mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2750MB/s failed 214th pass with 12 errors
237mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2715MB/s failed 191st pass with 18 errors
233mhz 3-4-4-8 AUTO memtest86 bandwidth = 2668MB/s failed 31st pass with 30 errors [weird more errors sooner]
200mhz 2.5-3-3-5 Turbo memtest86 bandwidth = 2539MB/s failed 1st pass with 1920 errors

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Albatron PX865PE PRO2:
Currently memtesting at 245mhz 3-4-4-8 at 2.85v, seems I'm getting strange memtest results with 4 sticks under 255mhz, errors are showing up quicker than when > 255mhz :confused: Managed to do some benchies at 255, 260mhz and 270mhz even though memtest86 errored out.

Memtesting 255mhz 3-4-4-8 at 2.85v, after 260mhz 3-4-4-8 frooze in 3dmark2003 and failed in SuperPi 16m test. Only memtest looped test #5 for 228 passes error free before stopping it myself. Probably, if i fan it for 24hrs it would of shown errors at 260mhz 3-4-4-8.

PX865PE PRO2's 2.85v vdimm helped alot more in holding some decent speed for 4x 256MB ADATA PC4000 sticks of memory compared to IC7. Unfortunately, PX865PE PRO2 has a max vcore of 1.6v (undervolts to 1.52v), but for 4 sticks the oc'ing headroom is limited to well under what 2.4C's max oc is for 1.52-1.6v vcore.

275mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 3145MB/s failed memtest86 immediately
270mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 3088MB/s failed memtest86 test#5, 1st pass with 10 errors
268mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 3065MB/s failed test#5, 1st pass with 2 errors
267mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 3054MB/s failed test#5, 1st pass with 2 errors
265mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 3031MB/s test#5 ran for 31 passes, test #6 frooze after 2nd pass
263mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 3008MB/s failed test#5, with 2 errors at 142nd passes
262mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2997MB/s failed test#5, with 4 errors at the 1140th pass ~20hrs
261mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2985MB/s stopped test#5 after 41 passes with no errors
260mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2974MB/s stopped test#5 after 228 passes with no errors, but freezes in 3dmark2003
255mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2917MB/s failed test#5 with 4 errors after 308 passes
250mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2860MB/s failed test#5 with 12 errors 1st time at pass 15, with 18 errors 2nd time at pass 19, while 3rd time ran error free for 32 passess befoe stopping [strange :confused: ]
245mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2802MB/s failed test#5 with 14 errors at 3rd pass [another strange result]
233mhz 3-4-4-8 memtest86 bandwidth = 2665MB/s


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Unstable benchmarks of 4x 256MB ADATA PC4000 at 3-4-4-8 (both boths have memory performance modes disabled)

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Abit IC7
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233mhz 3-4-4-8
Sandra Buff = 5434/5392
Sandra Unbuff = 2887/2946
Aida Read = 5066
Aida Write = 1784
Sciencemark = 4557.19
Pcmark2002 CPU = 6946
Pcmark2002 Mem = 9620
Pcmark2002 Hdd = 1049
3dmark2001 = 11997
3dmark2003 = 3447
SuperPi 1m = 49s
SuperPi 16m = 19min 57s
Prime96 v23.6 benchmark = 71.972
Sandra CPU = 8646 / (2420/5167)
Sandra CPU multimedia = 12938/20416

250mhz 3-4-4-8
Sandra Buff = 5786/5795
Sandra Unbuff = 3273/3269
Aida Read = 5451
Aida Write = 2026
Sciencemark = 4861.63
Pcmark2002 CPU = 7409
Pcmark2002 Mem = 10575
Pcmark2002 Hdd = 1061
3dmark2001 = 12259
3dmark2003 = 3467
SuperPi 1m = 45s
SuperPi 16m = BSOD
Prime96 v23.6 benchmark = 66.948
Sandra CPU = 9320 / (2600/5551)
Sandra CPU multimedia = 13881/21027

255mhz 3-4-4-8
Sandra Buff = 5926/5833
Sandra Unbuff = 3189/3262
Aida Read = 5563
Aida Write = 2085
Sciencemark = -
Pcmark2002 CPU = -
Pcmark2002 Mem = -
Pcmark2002 Hdd = -
3dmark2001 = -
3dmark2003 = -
SuperPi 1m = BSOD
SuperPi 16m = -
Prime96 v23.6 benchmark = -
Sandra CPU = -
Sandra CPU multimedia = -

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Albatron PX865PE PRO2
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255mhz 3-4-4-8
Sandra Buff = 5347/5355
Sandra Unbuff = 3126/3151
Aida Read = 4672
Aida Write = 1963
Sciencemark = 4759.1
Pcmark2002 CPU = 7416
Pcmark2002 Mem = 9735
Pcmark2002 Hdd = 1034
3dmark2001 = 1st attempt frooze Car 1 test, 2nd attempt frooze Lobby 2 test
3dmark2003 = -
SuperPi 1m = 46s
SuperPi 16m = 18min 31s
Prime96 v23.6 benchmark = 66.185
Sandra CPU = 9290 / (2647/5885)
Sandra CPU multimedia = 14125/22357

260mhz 3-4-4-8
Sandra Buff = 5483/5467
Sandra Unbuff = 3127/3218
Aida Read = 4828
Aida Write = 1848
Sciencemark = 4877.94
Pcmark2002 CPU = 7749
Pcmark2002 Mem = 10283
Pcmark2002 Hdd = 1049
3dmark2001 = 13985
3dmark2003 = Frooze
SuperPi 1m = 45s
SuperPi 16m = error in 11th loop
Prime96 v23.6 benchmark = 64.894
Sandra CPU = 9619 / (2699/6028)
Sandra CPU multimedia = 14410/22686

270mhz 3-4-4-8
Sandra Buff = 5705/5701
Sandra Unbuff = 3362/3417
Aida Read = 5020
Aida Write = 2303
Sciencemark = 5172.55
Pcmark2002 CPU = -
Pcmark2002 Mem = -
Pcmark2002 Hdd = -
3dmark2001 = -
3dmark2003 = -
SuperPi 1m = BSOD
SuperPi 16m = -
Prime96 v23.6 benchmark = 62.486
Sandra CPU = -
Sandra CPU multimedia = -

Hawk
07-30-2003, 04:07 AM
Nice Eva2000, already hit ya on the AB forum. . . . :wave:

eva2000
07-30-2003, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by Hawk
Nice Eva2000, already hit ya on the AB forum. . . . :wave: what and reduce the discussions on this beautiful forum ;)

cas 2.5 is possible for 2 sticks

but for 4 sticks not at 2.85v maybe need 3+ volts for 4 sticks to do cas 2.5

Hawk
07-30-2003, 04:20 AM
If you get time, I'd like to know, 2 sticks, the max OC w. aggressive timings. . . :D


The 2 OCZ 3700's, 2.85V 2-3-3-6 up to DDR500
for DDR500-520, 2.5-3-3-7. . . . .

eva2000
07-30-2003, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by Hawk
If you get time, I'd like to know, 2 sticks, the max OC w. aggressive timings. . . :D


The 2 OCZ 3700's, 2.85V 2-3-3-6 up to DDR500
for DDR500-520, 2.5-3-3-7. . . . . that will be another thread to watch out for ;) For now this thread is 4x 256MB ADATA PC4000 only report ;)

eva2000
07-30-2003, 11:36 AM
Updated with some benchmarks in 1st post

Unfortunately, it seems 4 sticks is sort of impossible with 2.75-2.85v vdimm, you really need more vdimm 2.95-3.1 for 4 sticks. 2 sticks is another kettle of fish all together, and i'll be testing 2 sticks at a time for soon :)

ErikaeanLogic
07-31-2003, 06:02 AM
Ya, I figured as much:(. I've been trying to locate a vendor here in the US with an EPoX 4PCA3+ so that I can take advantage of their 3.2Vdimm but I keep coming up empty:(. There are wild rumors flying about our community which suggest that the IC7max3 will also have up to 3.2Vdimm; if it does then I'll be all over that;). I am in the final stages of arranging the purchase of my Adata sticks, which will hopefully be here in a week or so, so that gives me a bit of time to see when the either the Abit max3 or rev2 4PCA3+ boards are coming out.

Thanks for the inspiration:wave: !

eva2000
07-31-2003, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by ErikaeanLogic
Ya, I figured as much:(. I've been trying to locate a vendor here in the US with an EPoX 4PCA3+ so that I can take advantage of their 3.2Vdimm but I keep coming up empty:(. There are wild rumors flying about our community which suggest that the IC7max3 will also have up to 3.2Vdimm; if it does then I'll be all over that;). I am in the final stages of arranging the purchase of my Adata sticks, which will hopefully be here in a week or so, so that gives me a bit of time to see when the either the Abit max3 or rev2 4PCA3+ boards are coming out.

Thanks for the inspiration:wave: ! actually have to retest them all again on IC7 as i just realized the lack of vcore was affecting memory stability with 4 sticks - 1.65v vcore had errors moved to 1.725v (1.68v real) no errors so have to retest LOL :o

also i ordered a Epox 4pca3+ hopefully next week it will arrive :)

ErikaeanLogic
07-31-2003, 07:34 AM
grrr, you're soooo lucky to have access to the 4pca3+! you luckee suX0r:na:

I'm looking forward to your results (as always:))

Thor
07-31-2003, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by ErikaeanLogic
I'm looking forward to your results (as always:))

Yeah, very interested in seeing what more vdimm can do for these higher speed ram sticks. Hopefully the timings can be as tight as 2-6-3-3.

eva2000
07-31-2003, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Thor
Yeah, very interested in seeing what more vdimm can do for these higher speed ram sticks. Hopefully the timings can be as tight as 2-6-3-3. exactly what i plan to try :)

eva2000
07-31-2003, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by ErikaeanLogic
grrr, you're soooo lucky to have access to the 4pca3+! you luckee suX0r:na:

I'm looking forward to your results (as always:)) only lucky if i get 1.2 and above revision.. crosses fingers

ErikaeanLogic
07-31-2003, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by eva2000
only lucky if i get 1.2 and above revision.. crosses fingers

not necessarily: the 1.0 and 1.1 allow for Vcore to 1.85V instead of the 1.6V limitation on the 1.2;)

eva2000
08-02-2003, 06:11 AM
well here's some 4x 256MB ADATA PC4000 results i did prior to realising that cpu vcore (or lack of it) affected stability of some benchmarks and memtesting

Note: IC7 bios bugs
1. means when 4 sticks of memory are used, PAT is disabled :(
2. bios limits 1:1 oc's to 255mhz max

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2.4C
MCX4000 rev1 + 120x35mm Sunon 120cfm fan + TT fan speed controller
128MB Gigacube 9600PRO at default
120GB WD 1200JB
Abit IC7 15 bios
vcore = 1.65v
vdimm = 2.8v bios (real 2.76v idle voltage)
vAGP = 1.6v
AGP/PCI: Fixed 66/33
NB Strap: 800FSB
HT enabled

Game Accelerator: Auto
Refresh Cycle Time: Auto
Read Delay Adjust: Auto
Read Delay: Auto
Command Per Clock: Auto

PCI Latency: 64
SATA: disabled
Firewire: disabled
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http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/cpuz.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/mem-buff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/mem-unbuff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/aida-read.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/aida-write.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/sciencemark.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/pcmark2002.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/3dmark2001.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/3dmark2003.jpg

Prime95 v23.6 benchmark (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/prime95bench.jpg)

SuperPi 1m (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/superpi-1m.jpg)

Sandra Max3 cpu (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/cpu.jpg)

Sandra Max3 Cpu Multimedia (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/250-250-3448-auto/cpu-media.jpg)

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eva2000
08-02-2003, 06:11 AM
what i could manage at 255mhz 1:1 given 4 sticks and lack of vdimm 2.75v under load at 2.8v in bios and the IC7 bios bug



http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/255-255-3448-auto/aida-read.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/255-255-3448-auto/aida-write.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/255-255-3448-auto/mem-buff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/255-255-3448-auto/mem-unbuff.jpg

http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/255-255-3448-auto/sciencemark.jpg

Prime95 v23.6 benchmark (http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/abit/ic7/memory/adata/pc4000/4x256/255-255-3448-auto/prime95bench.jpg)