Prescott saga continues

[XJ.]

Read this (http://www.overclockers.com/articles777/index.asp) 3 page commentary over at overclockers.com.

Makes me seriously wonder if I should just cobble an older system together for now and wait a month to see what becomes of this issue...

I wish someone who understood this sort of thing would comment on the power handling capabilities of some popular of the more popular boards.

[Chuck232]

Well, the ABIT IC7 MAX3 is guaranteed to support Prescott if that's what you're looking for. IMO, if you're gonna get a system now, there's not much point upgrading til at least Grantsdale... I mean are you really in need of upgrading every 6 months?

[XJ.]

No, well...NO, since I'm not independently wealthy :-r

I'd really like Prescott support, not for the near future, but for, say a year from now (older procs are usually around for at least a year).

Let's say I get a 2.4C and am able to get 3.2Ghz out of it. Well, the early Prescotts probably aren't going to be much faster than say 3.6Ghz before Intel switches to the new socket design. Assuming very little in the way of overclocking, I may not see too much gain in upgrading (i'm sure somethings will be 2x as fast as NW, but more like +15% or so per clock on average).

Hmm, 3.6 @1.15 would mean something in the range of 4+Ghz equivalent performance - that wouldnt' be a bad increase from 3.2Ghz (at least 25%).

So, yeah, it'd be nice to be able to upgrade.

Where did you get the info that the IC7 Max3 will be Prescott compliant ?

[Hawk]

From what I know, most of the Canterwood will support the Prescott. Truthfully, we don't know yet until Intel gives one of the damn chip so we can test it.

[Thor]

Originally posted by XJ.
Where did you get the info that the IC7 Max3 will be Prescott compliant ?

From Xbitlabs.com (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mainboards/display/20030723125300.html)

[XJ.]

Thanks! That boards going to have to be more than $200 with all that stuff in it :eek:

[Chuck232]

Yeah, but it looks like on hell of a board...:D

[XJ.]

Well Asus put their
New power design supports Intel next generation Prescott CPU blurb back up on their website. For example:

http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4P800%20Deluxe&langs=09

[Thor]

Originally posted by XJ.
Thanks! That boards going to have to be more than $200 with all that stuff in it :eek:

Yeah, I long for the day when top-o-da-line boards come WITHOUT any onboard crap. I never use them.

[Duvie]

Originally posted by Thor
Yeah, I long for the day when top-o-da-line boards come WITHOUT any onboard crap. I never use them.

I agree with you there....


I still like to reitrate I never like buying the new product out of the gate....I like to wait to see the kinks worked out of the mobos and their bios support and in this case rumored tlak of even a socket change with the prescott is enough to make me wait...

I think I will step up to a 3.0c with a DCDDR i875 mobo and wait until mid next year before I contemplate a prescott....

I run a 2.4b still with non DCDDR mobo and I am fast as ****e in all the apps I do. This way I always keep my cpu upgrades to 200 or less in dollars and mobos around the 100-120 range.

Unless prescott has some revolutionary HT and SSE2 upgrades that are going to knock my socks off I just see this as another time where I don't have the fastest stock computer but when I oc I usuall y put myself back up the range of the best.

I imagine say I get the 3.0c around december and can oc it to say 3.6-3.7 on air with the HT and running 240-250fsb at 1:1 with same some 500ddr I imagine I could be as fast as any prescott 3.4ghz at stock speed with stock speed memory. That is all I aim for. Top of the line speed at the lowest possible cost....

[Chuck232]

But a 3.0C will still be quite expensive this winter...

But I agree with you. I never buy the top of the line stuff. The price/performance just gets worse and worse as you go up the line.

[ThugsRook]

update on overclockers.com

http://www.overclockers.com/articles783/

the future doesnt look good unless youre willing to start all over from sctratch. (DDR2, pci express, new boards, new chips)

[jhites]

Originally posted by Duvie
Unless prescott has some revolutionary HT and SSE2 upgrades that are going to knock my socks off I just see this as another time where I don't have the fastest stock computer but when I oc I usuall y put myself back up the range of the best.

I imagine say I get the 3.0c around december and can oc it to say 3.6-3.7 on air with the HT and running 240-250fsb at 1:1 with same some 500ddr I imagine I could be as fast as any prescott 3.4ghz at stock speed with stock speed memory. That is all I aim for. Top of the line speed at the lowest possible cost....
Not to mention that we will probably need 2 power supplies and a 2 ton AC unit to run and cool a prescott.

[Chuck232]

Originally posted by jhites
Not to mention that we will probably need 2 power supplies and a 2 ton AC unit to run and cool a prescott. :rotflmao: :lol: :rotflmao:

[pointreyes]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
the future doesnt look good unless youre willing to start all over from sctratch. (DDR2, pci express, new boards, new chips)

Exactly the reason why I'm not buying anymore Intel solutions. First of all, it's still 32-bit. Second of all, all the new junk to use the 32-bit solution. No thank you. Now that I think I'm set with video cards on my systems, I plan to only purchase USB/Firewire hardware so that I can at least move up with these components with newer hardware. Hmmm, a USB CPU....:p :D

[XJ.]

So does this INQ Story (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10862) mean that the new mobos supporting Prescott won't be out till Q4 :confused: :eek:

If so, bummer....

[XJ.]

Heh, I was just reading a review of the Asus P4P400 DLX on lostcircuits.com and ran across this blurb:


ASUS relies on the Intel reference design around the ADP3168 programmable multiphase controller, in this case in a three phase configuration, using the ADP3148 driver chips for a Flex PWM architecture with temperature-compensated inductor current sensing, up to 1 MHz per phase operating frequency and a new output disable function for controlled shutdown with no negative current spikes during shutdown. Power is drawn directly from the 12V rail of the power-supply to allow enough juice to go to the processor. In the case of the P4P800, three power MOSFETs are used per phase just like in the Canterwood solution. The position of the auxiliary dual 12V input is directly adjacent to the VRM and once again, there will be some who complain about airflow restrictions but frankly, we don't see that problem.

I wonder if the 3 Mosfets/phase is what allows it to support the higher current needs of Prescott?