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ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 06:29 PM
this project is no longer being updated.
eVGA LE 6800U owners should visit this thread (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7215) for updated bios files and info.

the eVGA LE 6800U bios mod archive can be found @ Aonic.net (http://bios.aonic.net).

my personal thx to Aonic and everyone else that helped make all this possible :wave:

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 06:36 PM
Core OCing
eVGA LE6800U | 66.81 drivers | DX 9.0c
quality textures | noAA | noAF

stock = 325x1100, stock bios
OCed = 400x1100, LE-GT bios
OCed = 425x1100, LE-GT bios


http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001
325x1100 = 21839
400x1100 = 22540
425x1100 = 22721



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k3.gif 3DMark2003
325x1100 = 10871
400x1100 = 12579
425x1100 = 13093



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k3.gif 3DMark2005
325x1100 = 4408
400x1100 = 5155
425x1100 = 5364



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-am3.gif Aquamark3
325x1100 = 63.9 fps
400x1100 = 68.4 fps
425x1100 = 69.3 fps



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-d3.gif DOOM³ ~1280x1024
325x1100 = 74.1 fps
400x1100 = 79.9 fps
425x1100 = 81.0 fps



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-q3a.gif Quake III Extreme ~1280x1024
325x1100 = 286.3 fps
400x1100 = 287.7 fps
425x1100 = 288.1 fps



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-x2.gif X2 Threat Demo
325x1100 = 128.9 fps
400x1100 = 136.7 fps
425x1100 = 137.5 fps



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-xisle.gif X-Isle Tech Demo ~1280x1024
325x1100 = 225.0 fps
400x1100 = 235.6 fps
425x1100 = 237.8 fps




:)

Jim
10-22-2004, 06:46 PM
Like the 6800LE better than the 5900 Thugs ?

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 06:51 PM
a stock 6800LE is way faster then an OCed FX5900 @ 520x950.

the stock bios file is pretty screwy and limits OCing tho :(

i was only able to get to 355mhz core (artifact free) using the stock bios.
i then modified the stock bios and i was still only able to get 355mhz core :(
using a modified ultra bios i just passed 410mhz core w/o artifacts :thumbs:

still going too :yup:

Jim
10-22-2004, 06:54 PM
Cool, voltage is a good thing. :p

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 07:02 PM
yes i did boost the voltage to 1.5v.

i did the same thing for the stock LE bios file, but it didnt OC any further. that led me to believe that the stock bios limits OCing on this card.

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 07:40 PM
topped out @ 425mhz core. (430mhz causes poly corruption)

thats a 70mhz boost from a (modded) bios flash :thumbs:

remember ~ this is w/o any cooling mods, and the fan is only spinning in 2d speed!

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 07:53 PM
if you want to control the fan speed try this program...
http://www.gainward.com/html/download/utility/expertool/expertool.htm

:beer:

gandolf
10-22-2004, 08:06 PM
Where do you get wfflash exe.? I have looked everywhere

BB_One
10-22-2004, 08:07 PM
Where u able to unlock pipelines?

malinois1
10-22-2004, 08:08 PM
Very nice Thugsrook :thumbs: That is better that some peoples x800xt!!!

gandolf
10-22-2004, 08:09 PM
I found it

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 08:25 PM
http://www.mvktech.net for all your NV modding needs. (for advanced users only)


no need to unlock the 6800LE pipelines, it comes with all 16 pipes and 6 shaders ready to go.
(the 6800LE is an underclocked Ultra)

http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/nVidia/6800le-specs.gif



now that i can control the gpu fan speeds myself, (only running @ 60% speed so far) im gonna see if it can OC further, with full speed fan.

should be interesting....
:beer:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 08:33 PM
my 3DMark'05 scores so far....

325x700 = 3723 (6800)
325x1100 = 4299 (6800LE)
350x1000 = 4452 (6800GT)
350x1100 = 4574
400x1100 = 4981 (6800Ultra)
425x1100 = 5178
430x1100 = 5247

gandolf
10-22-2004, 08:43 PM
WFFLASH.EXE does not seem to work for me?
When I try to back-up my bios it locks-up?
nv 42 works good. But I don't know how to use that new file with it. I tried it and it say it is not the same vendor. Any ideas.
G

BB_One
10-22-2004, 08:51 PM
Oh my bad....under Ultra is GT....did not know some company called them something else.

Ummm...gezz why do they make it so difficult to follow thingies...lol..ok dumb question then since I've got me foot in it...what does LE stand for..limited edition of a GT?

glorfy
10-22-2004, 09:03 PM
Good post Thugsrock... and some supreme results! Matches my top OC with my GT (just about). I've had real issues trying to flash the bios on the GT - I can do it but to no benefit. I've tried all sorts of bioses, and the only thing that improved it at all was to modify the bios myself, and set 1.5v. This allows me to set and OC of 445 on the core, but it's very crashy. I don't think its temperature limited, as there is no temperature increase! I wonder if this reaches the limit of either my PSU, or where the second 12V connector on the ultra comes in. I can set 429 with no modifications - set 430 - no go - which matches your findings.

What make is the LE, is there much of a saving on a GT?


BTW :rock: :cool:

EDIT just noticed eVGA I'll try using my eyes next time! :bonk:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 09:03 PM
NVflash was able to save my bios file, but it couldnt flash.

WFflash is able to do both for me. it might seem like its locked up, but it takes about 50 seconds for it to actually flash. itll say its done when its completed.


LE = limited edition, its a eVGA mutt. everything on and about the the card is 100% ultra.... downclocked to 325mhz core.

:beer:

BB_One
10-22-2004, 09:07 PM
Umm thxs for heads up ThugsRook....guess I'll keep an eye out for that beast if it comes in pci-e mode.

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 09:10 PM
I've had real issues trying to flash the bios on the GT - I can do it but to no benefit. I've tried all sorts of bioses, and the only thing that improved it at all was to modify the bios myself, and set 1.5v.....

What make is the LE, is there much of a saving on a GT?

BTW :rock: :cool:
TY ~ yea i tried to modify (1.5v) the original bios on this card (LE) but it did nothing for it, leading me to believe something is very wrong with card's bios and to try a modded Ultra bios insted.

it still needs some work ~ but its fast as all hell! :fire:

the eVGA 6800LE sold for $325 on newegg all last week. its OOS now prolly never to return.
everything on the card is Ultra ~ cooler, memory, pcb, dual molex power, everything... (except the bios file) :D

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 09:17 PM
i only gained 5mhz core when setting the fan to 100%....

60% = 425mhz
100% = 430mhz


idle temps:
60% = 67*C
100% = 65*C


i guess having all that fan noise isnt really needed??? :scratch:

BB_One
10-22-2004, 09:22 PM
Crap for 325 sounds like u got heck of a nice little beast with you....congrats and well done! :beer:

glorfy
10-22-2004, 09:52 PM
Hehe. Good stuff! I tried Leadtek ultra bios.. and a large variety of modded GT bioses - maybe I should persevere and try some more ultra bioses.

BTW - a good tip I read somewhere, at least 'I' thought it was - thankfully never had the need to try it - create a bootdisk with WFlash, the bios and an autoexec.bat file to run it. That way, as long as you know if any key presses are needed, and when, you should be able to reflash, without having to find a second graphics card

A program I like to use is winfox 2.0 bios flash utility provided by
leadtek (http://www.leadtek.com.tw/eng/support/download.asp?downlineid=6)
With this you can flash the bios within windows - though it is limited to only being able to flash the same, or a modified bios. I couldn't find an option to force it to flash with a different bios like you can with NVflash and Wflash. Although if you have changed bios in dos, you can then flash a modification.
It's useful when coupled with Omnieditor from mvktech (http://www.mvktech.net/index.php?option=com_remository&func=fileinfo&filecatid=127)
to cutomize your bios, without getting down and dirty in dos.

AsThugsrock said. Make sure you back up your bios first, AND using any of the information here is at your own risk - you could make your expensive purchase FUBAR!

glorfy
10-22-2004, 10:00 PM
i only gained 5mhz core when setting the fan to 100%....

60% = 425mhz
100% = 430mhz

idle temps:
60% = 67*C
100% = 65*C

i guess having all that fan noise isnt really needed??? :scratch:

Ouch! GT idles at, currently, 47C, when loaded will go up to 79-80. What load temps do you get? I use povray to warm things up, with the temperature window open.

Ooops, thats what I used to get - but my idle temps *used* to be 55C - I haven't tried recently (I installed liquid for my CPU - and GPU core idle dropped 8C! - I relocated some PCI cards at the same time - maybe allowing better air flow! :thumb: )

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 10:00 PM
im now using a modified eVGA 6800GT bios and guess what?
its faster then the Ultra bios :yikes:
its about 100 '05 marks faster then the ultra clock for clock :yup: (0.5fps in Doom3 1280res)

im testing for OCability now, if it pans out this GT bios will be the one we want.

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 10:02 PM
damn i forgot to mention those temps ~ they are inacurate with the these bios files!

they are exactly 20*C high.

:bonk:

ThugsRook
10-22-2004, 11:15 PM
the GT bios checks out and is alot faster then the Ultra bios. most likely its due to memory timings, and memory OCing will differ between the 2 files. so for now im gonna offer both files and let you guys decide which one is better :)



*** GT bios vs Ultra bios for the 6800LE *** @ 425x1100

3DMark'05
GT = 5396
Ultra = 5184

Doom3 1280x1024
GT = 81.0 fps
Ultra = 80.6 fps

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 12:30 AM
my 3DMark'05 scores so far.... (Ultra bios)

325x1100 = 4299
350x1100 = 4574
400x1100 = 4981
425x1100 = 5178
my new 3DMark'05 scores.... (GT bios)

325x1100 = 4401
350x1100 = 4687
400x1100 = 5130
425x1100 = 5396

:thumbs:

vallybally
10-23-2004, 08:05 AM
This is all very interesting. I have a few questions tho.


damn i forgot to mention those temps ~ they are inacurate with the these bios files! they are exactly 20 C too high.

-How exactly do you know that the temperatures are off by 20 now? Do you have theories as to why?


-Have you thought about the long term stability of this system? In other words, if these underclocked Ultras are seemingly physically 'ok', then why would eVGA go thru the effort of sabatoging a small segment of their flagship product line with crappy BIOSes?

-For those of us who are technically savy but never flash video card BIOSes before, do you think you can provide a step by step tuturial on how to successfully flash this thing?

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 10:51 AM
-How exactly do you know that the temperatures are off by 20 now? Do you have theories as to why?

-Have you thought about the long term stability of this system?

-For those of us who are technically savy but never flash video card BIOSes before, do you think you can provide a step by step tuturial on how to successfully flash this thing?
the idle temp changed by 20*C as soon as i flashed it.
no idea why ~ i personally dont think they are accurate to begin with. only used as a reference, etc.

long term stability is always a priority.
lots of testing will reveal what is stable and what is not.

how to flash a vid card?
thats a whole thread in of itself ;)
there are quite a few flash programs you can use. some will work and some wont work on your card. (trial and error ~ WFflash works on my card) each program uses different commands so youll need to read its text file on how it works.
basically you need a dos boot disk, the flash program and the bios all on a floppy disk. boot to disk, type in the flash command (in my case its A:\WFFLASH.EXE NM LE-GT.ROM <enter>) wait til its done and reboot.

you will need to uninstall/reinstall vid drivers....

HTH :)

gandolf
10-23-2004, 11:27 AM
They all have the same temp drop! probably bios related.
This worked for me! I now have both fan speeds. Be sure to use the drop down window for 3D adjustment, I did not notice this at first and it would lock up in testing.
My card runs stable @ 415 core and 1250 mem. And I used the method below (thanks) that was submitted by someone else.

OK. Here is how I did it; first, go get the nvflash 5.10 from http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=1998, then get the latest eVGA 6800 Ultra bios from http://www.mvktech.net/index.p...older&filecatid=51 (there are Rev.1-4 eVGA 6800U bios available to download there, but I used the latest one, which is Rev.04). Once you got both, make a DOS boot disk, then copy the nvflash and bios to the disk. Then reboot the comp.

Once you reboot, and go into <A:\>, you first type in "nvflash -b <filename>.rom" to BACK UP your original bios, then you type in "nvflash -5 -6 <filename of the new bios).rom", then your 6800 limited edition will be flashed to 6800U with 425/1100 setting. Beware that you will have to use the "-5 -6" command to force flash the bios to your card; your 6800 limited edition was force strapped to 6800NU by eVGA initially, if you use the regular common "nvflash <filename of your new bios>.rom", the nvflash will respond with something like hardware ID doesn't match and subsystem ID doesn't match, and your card will not be flashed. Once your is flashed, reboot your comp, reinstall 66.81 driver, then you got yourself a regular 6800U. So, good luck to whoever are trying to do this, and enjoy your new card!!!

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 11:41 AM
gandolf ~ is your 2d/3d fans speeds actually working? or does it just always stay in 2d fan speed mode in windows/games?

aonic
10-23-2004, 01:42 PM
just wondering.. why not mod the GT/Ultra bios to 1.4v?

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 03:09 PM
personal preference ;)

aonic
10-23-2004, 03:11 PM
but wouldnt 1.4 make the life longer?
since tahts what it came with by default
can you release a 1.4 version :P

gandolf
10-23-2004, 03:28 PM
Well when it boots I know it goes to high at that time and then slows to the lower fan speed. Not sure about in 3D? I'll need to check.
What gt bios are you using?

gandolf
10-23-2004, 03:31 PM
but wouldnt 1.4 make the life longer?
since tats what it came with by default
can you release a 1.4 version :P
It actually came with ultra voltages

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 03:32 PM
Well when it boots I know it goes to high at that time and then slows to the lower fan speed. Not sure about in 3D? I'll need to check.
What gt bios are you using?
eVGA 6800GT rev01
my fan doesnt speed up in 3d apps ~ which actually is fine by me since its so damn loud ;)
(fan speed can be adjusted manually using EXPERTool linked earlier in this thread)



but wouldnt 1.4 make the life longer?
since tahts what it came with by default
can you release a 1.4 version :P
i doubt it.
...1.4v files posted for ya in the main post.

:beer:

gandolf
10-23-2004, 03:43 PM
It does not come on high in 3D games
unless it is not hot enough? Running water on the A64 so the case is cool inside (well kinda) GT bios, which one?

aonic
10-23-2004, 04:00 PM
sorry for stupid questions :P but did the default LE bios come wiht 1.4 or 1.5 :D
thx for the 1.4 version btw..

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 04:08 PM
default eVGA 6800LE gpu voltage is 1.4v.

YW :)

gandolf
10-23-2004, 04:15 PM
Hey Thugsrock! which gt bios?

aonic
10-23-2004, 04:19 PM
do you really think these are defective ultras? i mean they had a probably a 200+ batch on newegg n probably 200 on zipzoom.. if eVGA had these many defective GPUs from nvidia would they not complain to nvidia?
and if there were defective GPU's by nvidia why arent any other companies doing this

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 04:23 PM
Hey Thugsrock! which gt bios?
i started with the eVGA 6800GT rev01 bios (the only one available)


no i dont think these are defective Ultras, i think these were released to create internet chatter. (it worked)

:)

aonic
10-23-2004, 04:26 PM
alright.. i think im gona do it..

question:
how can i find out if my 2d/3d fan works

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 04:39 PM
youll hear it spin up and/or down.

so far all reports show that the only time the fan will speed up is during a reboot. if you want the fan on full speed all the time dload the software i pointed to earlier.

i personally dont mind the lower speed fan, full speed is damn noisy :shhh:

:)

aonic
10-23-2004, 04:54 PM
well i really just asked becuase of i was confused about the 3d fans not working in your first post in this thread.. i guess my main question is, will the fans work just like they did with LE bios?

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 05:06 PM
no.

the stock 6800LE did not have dual mode clocking or dual mode cooling. it was 100% all the time.

even with the modded bios dual mode clocking doesnt work, its 100% all the time.
dual mode cooling also does not work, once in windows it reverts to 60% speed and never goes to 100% except during reboots. if you use the gainward software i linked to earlier you can force 100% fan all the time.

if i find a better way (software) ill be sure to let everyone know ;)

my card runs just fine with only 60% fan, 100% fan only gave me 5mhz more when OCing. i personally cant stand all that noise anyways ;)

HTH :beer:

aonic
10-23-2004, 05:16 PM
thanks for the info :) so it would be fine if i ran 60% 2D and 100% 3D

i put both of em on 100 and couldnt hear anything different :P i guess my other funs are louder :D

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 05:19 PM
the LE wont switch between 2d and 3d mode no matter what bios is used.

whatever you set 2d fan speed @ is what it will be all the time.

if you cant hear the noise over the rest of your case fans then you may as well just make it 100% all the time.

:)

aonic
10-23-2004, 05:22 PM
:) thanks for all the help.. ill be trying it later tonight and **hopefully** be posting back

gandolf
10-23-2004, 05:42 PM
Tried to flash to gt and got a error, saying the vendor does not match? or something like that.
Do I need to flash back to the LE bios first?

gandolf
10-23-2004, 06:06 PM
"my LE-GT bios is the best one so far"
Link to this file, please

aonic
10-23-2004, 06:07 PM
*** Bios Files ***
LE to GT (http://home.comcast.net/~rcrook/nVidia/LE-GT14.zip) / 325x1100 / 1.4v gpu
LE to GT (http://home.comcast.net/~rcrook/nVidia/LE-GT.zip) / 325x1100 / 1.5v gpu
LE to Ultra (http://home.comcast.net/~rcrook/nVidia/LE-ULTRA14.zip) / 325x1100 / 1.4v gpu
LE to Ultra (http://home.comcast.net/~rcrook/nVidia/LE-ULTRA.zip) / 325x1100 / 1.5v gpu

WFflash v5.6 (http://home.comcast.net/~rcrook/nVidia/WFflash.zip)


*** WARNING ***
1) back up your original bios before flashing
2) im not responsible if you screw up
3) say goodbye to your warranty


:beer:

:thumbs:

Magwa
10-23-2004, 06:26 PM
Thanks for all your work guys. I will be trying this when i get home. :thumbs: :rock:

aonic
10-23-2004, 06:41 PM
:( i tryed to flash to 1.4 version and it gave me some mismatch stuff
i used -5 -6
ill try WFflash
brb

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 06:43 PM
ive been using WFflash for all my flashing..... no problems.

aonic
10-23-2004, 06:44 PM
for other people:


*****************************************************************
Backup:
*****************************************************************
nvflash -b backup.rom
WFFLASH.EXE -S

*****************************************************************
Install:
*****************************************************************
nvflash -5 -6 file.rom
WFFLASH.EXE NM file.rom

aonic
10-23-2004, 07:33 PM
alright, i finally heard my fan @ 100% it was realyl annoying :P put it to 60%
and my tempratures seem to be good in 1.4 GT
but they are kinda high

i usualy have 62C idle with 44 ambient

right now i have 44 amb and 67C..

coould the temp in 1.5v really be that high and not just a misread

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 07:46 PM
i dont believe these temps for a minute.
my 5900 @ 520x950 ran @ 74*C, so to me these 6800 temps are nice and low ;)

gandolf
10-23-2004, 07:56 PM
wfflash does not work for me. floppy makes a couple of groans and stops?
I am running a winchester 3.2@3.5 and Msi neo2 platinum.
Aquamark 71161

aonic
10-23-2004, 08:06 PM
I just OCed to 420/1100 with GT 1.4volt BIOS

No artifacts, Ran 3dmark05 and 3dmark03 with all latests versions
3dmark05 = 5,219
3dmark03 = 12,096

Chipsy
10-23-2004, 08:59 PM
ThugsRook - is that LE the same card like this one - CLICK (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-212&depa=0)
I got the same one , but it is very limited in overclocking - only 25MHz more than stock ... :( What kind of ULTRA bios are you using - eVGA or some other ? Please let me know ;)

aonic
10-23-2004, 09:05 PM
ya tahts the one Chipsy.. try his bios its great ;D

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 09:19 PM
ThugsRook - is that LE the same card like this one - CLICK (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-212&depa=0)
I got the same one , but it is very limited in overclocking - only 25MHz more than stock ... :( What kind of ULTRA bios are you using - eVGA or some other ? Please let me know ;)
yep thats the card.
all bios files posted here are eVGA files. i modified them to fit our needs, safely ;)

try the LE-GT bios on your card, i think youll like it :yup:


:beer:

Chipsy
10-23-2004, 09:28 PM
try the LE-GT bios on your card, i think youll like it :yup:
:beer:
Which one - the 1.4 or the 1.5 V ?!?

Magwa
10-23-2004, 09:39 PM
Which one - the 1.4 or the 1.5 V ?!?

Whatever you prefer. Stock the card comes with 1.4v The 1.5v is for more overlocking, and personal prefrence.

aonic
10-23-2004, 09:50 PM
i think your right THugs. i just checked the amb temp reported by my mobo and its exatcly 10 C lower than what the card says

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 10:06 PM
thx guys for posting your info, and helping with the thread ~ much appreciated :wave:


i ran some tests comparing the 1.4v file vs the 1.5v file just to make sure the 1.5v file actually does something more then the 1.4v file.
the answer is yes, the 1.5v file will get a higher OC then the 1.4v file ~ even with stock cooling.


using one of the coolbits2 entries, i tried this lil trick ~ but it doesnt work :( (like most of coolbits2)

http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/nVidia/fan.gif

Chipsy
10-23-2004, 10:47 PM
Well - successfull flas :bonk: :cool:
Mark '05 - 5447 LINK (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=50073)
I don't know , but 425 / 1179 is my MAX clock via drivers or Riva Tuner - @ this clock there are NO artefacts , but I can't clock further - why is that ?!? :beat:

ThugsRook
10-23-2004, 11:04 PM
the builtin NV testing tool fails me @ 440mhz core and 1190mhz memory. (LE-GT 1.5v bios)

in not gonna bytch tho ~ im very pleased with this card now that we've got decent bios files for it.

the original LE bios files musta been rigged for poor OCing :look:

:beer:

aonic
10-24-2004, 12:17 AM
i can go up to 432/1160 before i get artifacts :o

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:12 AM
i can go up to 432/1160 before i get artifacts :o
same here


more importantly, id like to get the 2d/3d switching modes working :beat:


i added 400mhz LE-GT bios files to the bios list.... :rock:
(these files are no different from the 325mhz files other then the core clock)

:beer:

aonic
10-24-2004, 08:05 AM
can you add a 350 version?

using 350 seems to drop my temp
also if you did make the 350 version how would it be diff than a regular GT eVGA bios?

Lanolar
10-24-2004, 09:41 AM
I used WFFLASH. Worked great.

LE to Ultra 1.4v

Original BIOS max:

350/1100

Ultra 1.4v

425/1100 and I have not bothered trying for more. Its fast as hell at this speed.

Again, thanks a million Thugs!

aonic
10-24-2004, 09:51 AM
I just flashed to a normal GT, and my Temp seems to be normal like it was in LE bios..
but its @ 1000 GDDR3
what do you use to modify the bios, so i can mod it back to 1100 Thugs

Red02TA
10-24-2004, 10:34 AM
Why would this card not work exactly like an ultra with the ultra Bios flashed on them? I don't understand why the fans would not change speeds 2D/3D with modes just like any other ultra?

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 11:20 AM
i am not sure why the dual mode clocking/cooling does not work.
if this card truely is an Ultra then it should work just like an Ultra right?
but its not like an Ultra cause it used single mode clocking/cooling. even the stock LE bios shows 400mhz for the core but its only actually 325mhz, so something is fishy when it comes to dual mode clocking/cooling.


TEMPS:
i wouldnt go chasing temps guys. we have already shown its screwy, dont take too much stock in them.

:beer:

aonic
10-24-2004, 11:49 AM
i hope your right about the temp problem thug :P its driving me nuts.. did you use NiBiTor for the modding?

i still dont understand why some people have their regular temp's even after flashing

tedy
10-24-2004, 12:45 PM
so all of you guys got the gfx card with working 16/6 ?

ALL OF YOU ? 100% ?

gandolf
10-24-2004, 12:53 PM
Yep, all I know of.

aonic
10-24-2004, 12:58 PM
yup.

edit: i just went back to LE and my max temp is 70C unlike LE-GT 1.4 where it was 80!

im assuming LE-GT misreads the temp by 10 C but some people claim theirs are fine :x

gandolf
10-24-2004, 01:00 PM
It's weird I can't flash to any other bios since I flashed to the ultra? wfflash does not work (cannot even save the bios with this tool). Nvflash works kinda, I can save and modify the ultra bios but I get this with any version of bios I try.
"Firmware image board ID (4007) does not match adapter board ID (4032)"
Anyone know whats up with this?
No complaints it screems with the ultra bios

LANjack
10-24-2004, 01:01 PM
I had to register just to respond to this thread.. :beer:

I floated in from the XS forums because I just bought this card from Zipzoomfly and heard rumors of LE bios over here....


I must say.. WOW... thugsrook.. you are a god among mortals.. :D

Fantastic work man.. fantastic.

My card arrives Tuesday and I can't wait to slap these BIOS in.

My hat's off to you sir. :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :beer:

aonic
10-24-2004, 01:30 PM
i was comparing the bios voltages

the real GT bios is 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
the LE-GT bios is 1.1/ 1.4 / 1.4

i dont know how that affects anything but just thought id tell you guys :P

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:33 PM
so all of you guys got the gfx card with working 16/6 ?

ALL OF YOU ? 100% ?
yes

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:34 PM
yup.

edit: i just went back to LE and my max temp is 70C unlike LE-GT 1.4 where it was 80!

im assuming LE-GT misreads the temp by 10 C but some people claim theirs are fine :x
ummm wait a sec here....

how do you know the stock LE bios isnt -10*C?

hmmmm? ;) :na:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:36 PM
It's weird I can't flash to any other bios since I flashed to the ultra? wfflash does not work (cannot even save the bios with this tool). Nvflash works kinda, I can save and modify the ultra bios but I get this with any version of bios I try.
"Firmware image board ID (4007) does not match adapter board ID (4032)"
Anyone know whats up with this?
No complaints it screems with the ultra bios
no clue :scratch:
ive been flashing my card back and forth so many times its rediculous :bonk:
no problems here.

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:39 PM
I had to register just to respond to this thread.. :beer:

I floated in from the XS forums because I just bought this card from Zipzoomfly and heard rumors of LE bios over here....


I must say.. WOW... thugsrook.. you are a god among mortals.. :D

Fantastic work man.. fantastic.

My card arrives Tuesday and I can't wait to slap these BIOS in.

My hat's off to you sir. :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :beer:
TYVM :beer:

g'luck with your new card :thumbs:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:42 PM
i was comparing the bios voltages

the real GT bios is 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
the LE-GT bios is 1.1/ 1.4 / 1.4

i dont know how that affects anything but just thought id tell you guys :P
stock GT bios
1.1 = unused, supposed to be 2d mode
1.3 = 3d mode enabled
1.4 = 3d mode disabled

LE-GT 1.4v bios
1.1 = unused, supposed to be 2d mode
1.4 = 3d mode enabled
1.4 = 3d mode disabled

:)

aonic
10-24-2004, 01:43 PM
i noticed one more thing from LE-Gt to LE

the "Core VID, non-dimentional" is 4 in LE and 6 in LE-GT

you think that might affect the temps?

i would think it was the volts for the core, but volt id?
any ideaS?

gandolf
10-24-2004, 01:44 PM
Are you guys running with fast-writes on or off (in the MB bios)

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:46 PM
ive been thinking about the temp monitor problem.....

IF the card really is 10-20*C hotter with the new bios files, wouldnt the whole system be at least... a little bit hotter?

im almost done my testing on this, ill post results a little later this evening.

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 01:50 PM
i noticed one more thing from LE-Gt to LE

the "Core VID, non-dimentional" is 4 in LE and 6 in LE-GT

you think that might affect the temps?

i would think it was the volts for the core, but volt id?
any ideaS?
a LE bios will report an LE VID and a PCI device code
a LE-GT bios will report a GT VID and a different PCI device code
a LE-Ultra bios will report a Ultra VID and a different PCI device code

thats why you have to reinstall drivers when going from one "type" of bios to another.

:beer:

vallybally
10-24-2004, 02:14 PM
Can someone explain to me what this 2d/3d fan thing is all about? Like is it some efficient auto throttling mechanism that normal Ultras have and this LE doesn't (yet)?

If so, I'd think a minor bios tweak within the coming weeks and months should fix that up...

aonic
10-24-2004, 02:20 PM
lookin forward to results for those temp tests

gandolf
10-24-2004, 02:30 PM
Can someone explain to me what this 2d/3d fan thing is all about? Like is it some efficient auto throttling mechanism that normal Ultras have and this LE doesn't (yet)?

If so, I'd think a minor bios tweak within the coming weeks and months should fix that up...

Low speed in 2D and high in 3d
stuck on high in LE bios, stuck in low on anything else

gandolf
10-24-2004, 02:34 PM
The reason I asked about the fast-writes is that my card will overclock a lot further with this off. Scores are lower for the same clock, however you can increase the clock to get them back and then some,
Someone let me know which is common practice on/off?

aonic
10-24-2004, 02:38 PM
i hear its mostly on for amd users and off for intel

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 02:45 PM
ok here's what i did...
i ran X-Isle Tech Demo in a 1152x864 window for 5 loops and took card and board temp reading near the end of the 5th loop. fan is on 100% during the following tests.

stock LE bios @ 325x1100
gpu= 63*C | system= 32*C | cpu= 55*C | pwm= 42*C

LE-GT 1.5v bios @ 325x1100
gpu= 72*C | system= 31*C | cpu= 54*C | pwm= 40*C

LE-GT 1.5v bios @ 425x1100
gpu= 74*C | system= 32*C | cpu= 54*C | pwm= 41*C


> same gpu speed / different bios... system temps are lower?
> OCing 100mhz on 1.5v = very little temp increase?

id say its safe to say the card is only slightly hotter then stock @ 425mhz & 1.5v

:beer:

more to come >>>>>

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 02:54 PM
same testing proceedure...


LE-GT 1.5v bios @ 325x1100

60% fan
gpu= 74*C | system= 31*C | cpu= 54*C | pwm= 40*C

100% fan
gpu= 72*C | system= 31*C | cpu= 54*C | pwm= 40*C



LE-GT 1.5v bios @ 425x1100

60% fan
gpu= 76*C | system= 31*C | cpu= 54*C | pwm= 40*C

100% fan
gpu= 74*C | system= 32*C | cpu= 54*C | pwm= 41*C

not much a difference at all eh?

:beer:

aonic
10-24-2004, 02:56 PM
so whats the conclusion or your theory :P

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 03:05 PM
oh ok want my conclusion?

dont worry about the temps, they are wrong and its not much hotter then stock.
also, dont worry about running the fan @ only 60%. that doesnt make much of a diff either.

:beer:

aonic
10-24-2004, 03:16 PM
no i mean your conclusion of if these are acurate :P

aonic
10-24-2004, 03:24 PM
i have made a boot flash disk kit for you guys

http://ipod.aonic.net/eVGA-BIOS-FLASH-DISK.zip

it contains:

*****************************************************************************
Backup:
*****************************************************************************
nvflash -b backup.rom /REMOVED/
WFFLASH.EXE -S backup.rom

*****************************************************************************
Install:
*****************************************************************************
nvflash -5 -6 file.rom /REMOVED/
WFFLASH.EXE NM file.rom

*****************************************************************************
List:
*****************************************************************************
LE-D.rom [ default LE bios with 1.4v ] 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
LE-GT.rom [ LE - GT with 1.4v (THUGS) ] 1.1 / 1.4 / 1.4
LE-GT2.rom [ LE - GT Real Bios ] 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
LE-GT2mod.rom [ LE - GT Real w/ 350/1150 MhZ ] 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
LE-U2mod.rom [ LE - U Real w/ 325/1150 MhZ ] 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
*****************************************************************************
Note: For LE-GT2mod.rom you must do WFFLASH.EXE NM LE-GT2~1.rom

you can add the bios' you want

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 03:25 PM
IMHO: none of those temps reported are accurate :na:

i ran the tests that way to give a new "baseline" temp reading for the modified bios files, and then OCed.

they are still roughly the same temps i got with my FX5900 @ 520mhz, im not concerned.

eVGA does offer a copper heatsink replacement (http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?Part_Number=202-F1-EV18-01) if your really think you need it.

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 03:31 PM
aonic ~ bios rom files can only have 8 charactors for a file name ;)

:)

aonic
10-24-2004, 03:32 PM
aonic ~ bios rom files can only have 8 charactors for a file name ;)

:)

if you type dir
it shows the file as LE-GT2~1

so you can do WFFLASH.EXE NM LE-GT2~1.rom :)

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 03:38 PM
hehe~
naming these files got difficult once it got past 4 files ;)
i had to rename them so it made some sence :coocoo:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 03:44 PM
vid card bios flashing guide (http://www.mvktech.net/content/view/15/37/)

aonic
10-24-2004, 03:48 PM
:'( i know i shouldnt be worried and im being anoying.. but i still cant figure out why some people get normal temp's under your bioses and some done

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 05:20 PM
na its ok, if it wasnt you it would just be someone else ;)

....dont worry about the temps (jedi waves hand)

:beer:

screwtech02
10-24-2004, 05:23 PM
Has anyone tried flashing a reg 6800 128 meg with a different bios, i have heard rumors of "unlocking" the other pipelines. I have a BFG 6800OC that i can only get 390/865 out of, and was wondering if you guys knew anything?? :?:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 05:54 PM
you prolly wanna post that Q in a new thread to get attention. i believe Jim has a 6800nu and he may be able to help.

i dont think other bios files will work on a 6800nu due to the 6800nu 128mb DDR1, but id be glad to mod your file for you if you wish.

start a new thread tho ;)

vallybally
10-24-2004, 06:28 PM
stuck on high in LE bios, stuck in low on anything else

So by flashing one of these new BIOSs, not only can you very likely have yourself a 400+ Ultra, but also it won't be as loud!?! (60% fan speed, but negligible temp difference)



Almost sounds too good to be true, but if this is all legit and stable, it will go down in video card history as one of the great ones (soft mod unlocking potential of a card).

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 06:52 PM
So by flashing one of these new BIOSs, not only can you very likely have yourself a 400+ Ultra, but also it won't be as loud!?! (60% fan speed, but negligible temp difference)
yep, exactly :yup:

actually it will be faster then a Ultra (LE-GT bios @ 400x1100) and quieter :thumbs:

lithker
10-24-2004, 08:26 PM
first post, i ordered my 6800 LE this weekend and cant wait to upgrade from my 5600 Ultra. thanks ThugsRook for all ur work.

btw, i will be water cooling this card :deviltail

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 08:33 PM
first post, i ordered my 6800 LE this weekend and cant wait to upgrade from my 5600 Ultra. thanks ThugsRook for all ur work.

btw, i will be water cooling this card :deviltail
please post your results :eek:
i would be very interested in them.

the highest OC ive heard of so far is Joe Camel @ 450mhz core on stock cooling :eek:

g'luck with your new card :beer:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 08:55 PM
did i forget to mention these files will work on other cards too? they will.

the GT bios files will work on the eVGA 6800GT.
(stock 6800GT voltage is 1.3v)

the Ultra bios files will work on the eVGA 6800Ultra.
(stock 6800Ultra voltage is 1.4v)

the GT files will work on the Ultra, but at the possible loss of 2d/3d mode switching.


they will most likely work on other brands too, but i couldnt guarentee that ;)

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-24-2004, 10:34 PM
ive got a whole new batch of bios files for me to play with.
ill post info if any of them are worth talking about.

:beer:

blk94f150
10-24-2004, 11:20 PM
1st post here.

426/1.2 100% stable and artifact free with LE-GT15. Tested with 3dmark03, 05, 01SE, Doom3, and BFV.

12820-3dmark03

Thanks a lot for the awesome work you've done. I could only get 335/1.11 before the flash. When I get a Enermax 475 (Turbolink 420 right now), I'll post more results. Rest of system is stock right now because of low power situation. 6800 is sucking up all the juice!

Mike

Magwa
10-25-2004, 12:49 AM
My 2d speeds and 3d speeds work! i was watching them change on riva tuner.

I think you were asking about it. If you want more info, ect. Post so, and i will give more details.

Red02TA
10-25-2004, 04:14 AM
Please give more details. we are interested.

gandolf
10-25-2004, 04:21 AM
464 core fastwrites off (ran aquamark and 3d05) don't know if it would run forever like this but it made it through these. I was able to flash it to the ultra (rev. 4) but that is it? cannot flash to any other bios. I have tried wfflash and it locks up my computer, (all versions) nvflash is what I used to flash to the ultra, however it gives me a ID mismatch when trying to flash to anything else. I can use it to flash a modified bios for the ultra (omniextreme edit) to 1.5 volts without a problem. Frustrating isn't it? I not complaining it rocks with the ultra bios. Someone will figure it out! it does 72509 in aquamark!!!

I running a A64 on water (winchester core 90 nanometer) MSI neo 2 plat. pc 3700 in dual channel. raptor HD

malinois1
10-25-2004, 04:35 AM
Hey Thugs this post had made all the lurkers sign up and post :thumb: . To all you first time posters in this thread :welcome: to the BE :wave: I hope you enjoy your stay and stick around. I think you will find this site quite usefull and most of all friendly. Thugs with all youe Nvidia bios modding I may have to get rid of this 9800 pro and get a 6800!! Anywhere to find one of those cheap LE's .

trs-80
10-25-2004, 05:04 AM
ZipZoomFly (http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=322699) has them for $339. $14 more than Newegg but free 2-day FedEx shipping. I just picked one up. Thanks to Thugs and everyone else for sharing your findings.

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 07:50 AM
My 2d speeds and 3d speeds work! i was watching them change on riva tuner.

I think you were asking about it. If you want more info, ect. Post so, and i will give more details.
yes very interested.
does the fan speed up/down as you enter/exit a 3d app? etc?

:)

Magwa
10-25-2004, 09:15 AM
Conclusion
All of these cards are defective somehow. Mine wont clock past 380 without very minor artifacts(not in 3dmark, but in war3x and aquamark. I have tried and It will go up to 430, but has the same minor artifacts. RAM will easily clock to 1260 however

So mine will not overclock very well, while others wont have the 2d/3d speeds working. Anyway...

Speeds workingThis is what i did and my speeds work. If i have a 3d app open the speeds jump right up to the "3d" speed, and like 15 sec after i close a 3d app the speed goes back down.

What i did/what happened to me
I tired to use nvflash with the -5 -6 command and it would not work. I then used wfflash with the NM <>.rom command and that worked to flash the card to Thug's 1.4v GT bios. Installed 66.81 drivers and just started testing things. I used rivatunner to OC. I hate to say it, but i dont think i did anything special

Random
Anyone else notice the thermal tape stuff on the RAM? Anyone replace this with some artic silver or something better?

Here are some pics of the temps changing. I just opened up a vizulazation for winamp to make it run in 3d. I let it run for a minute or 2, as you can see from the time in winamp, then i closed it down. The temps went down to 2d speeds like 15 sec after closing the window. look at the temps going down when the core is higher too :mischeif:
3D app open(Clocked higher) (http://userpages.umbc.edu/~brandre1/photogallery/speed1.jpg)
3D app closed (http://userpages.umbc.edu/~brandre1/photogallery/speed2.jpg)

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 11:43 AM
very interesting.

RivaTuner is showing the same results for me. (i set 2d to 325mhz and 3d to 425mhz manually)
> according to RivaTuner core clock switching is working.
> i have no idea if dual voltage switching is also working (i left it intact)
> the fan does not switch.

:scratch:

if this is true ~ you guys should set your 2d modes to 300-325mhz.

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 12:15 PM
ok this is getting weirder...

if i open a 3d app control panel, my temp drops 11*C!
the damn 3d app aint even running!

close down the apps control panel, temps go back up.
(my fan is on constant 60%)

:scratch:

Magwa
10-25-2004, 12:18 PM
very interesting.

if this is true ~ you guys should set your 2d modes to 300-325mhz.

Why? According to Riva, the core has a higher temp when it is clocked that low.

I set my 2d to be 350mhz, because the core temp is lower there then 325.

Also here is a pic of my artifacts. They are like little black rectangles all over the place:
Pic (http://userpages.umbc.edu/~brandre1/photogallery/artifacts.jpg)
You think broken pipes on the core?

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 12:34 PM
Why? According to Riva, the core has a higher temp when it is clocked that low.

I set my 2d to be 350mhz, because the core temp is lower there then 325.

Also here is a pic of my artifacts. They are like little black rectangles all over the place:
Pic (http://userpages.umbc.edu/~brandre1/photogallery/artifacts.jpg)
You think broken pipes on the core?
im assuming the temp reading in 2d mode is in error.

im checking 2d 350mhz core temps now.

the artifacts you have are from OCing core too far.

:beer:

Doughboy
10-25-2004, 12:35 PM
I getting a temp rise when lowering the core also. I running EVGA's Ultra bios at defualt 425/1100. Drop the core to 325 for 2d and the idle raised from 47 to 54. Not what I expected.

aonic
10-25-2004, 12:40 PM
ok this is getting weirder...

if i open a 3d app control panel, my temp drops 11*C!
the damn 3d app aint even running!



with the GT bios, if you make your core 350++ the temps drop.. the same applys to Ultra bios

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 12:48 PM
with the GT bios, if you make your core 350++ the temps drop.. the same applys to Ultra bios
my results show that temps are only lower @ exactly 350mhz 2d.
any higher or lower raises the temps.

thx for the help guys! :wave:


i will be updating the offered bios files to repair this bug.
i may as well remove the 400mhz files cause they are no longer "easy" for the lazyman. (theyd still need to lower 2d to 350mhz)

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 12:56 PM
files updated

thx again for your help guys :rock:

* idle temp/clock fixed!
* dual mode clocking fixed!
* dual mode fan speeds fixed!
* LE-GT bios now based on 6800GT rev02

:beer:

aonic
10-25-2004, 01:15 PM
* dual mode fan speeds fixed!

can you explain that please


and dual mode clocking always worked for me :p

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 01:18 PM
* dual mode clocking fixed!
* dual mode fan speeds fixed!

can you explain that please

2D mode = 350mhz core, 1.1v gpu, 60% fan speed

3D mode = 350+mhz core, 1.4v (or 1.5v) gpu, 100% fan speed

IT NOW WORKS! :rock: :rock: :rock:

aonic
10-25-2004, 01:20 PM
how did you confirm that the 3d fan works?

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 01:27 PM
how did you confirm that the 3d fan works?
how do ya think? :na:

opened up some 3d apps ~ fan spun up
opened up Liquid WMV ~ fan spun up
encoded an MPG ~ fan spun up!

it works, the whole thing finally works the way its supposed to! :thumbs:

aonic
10-25-2004, 01:33 PM
heh :P

i never listened in on the fan.. but my GT2mod.rom i use worked with dual clocking.. i guess becuase it used rev 2

aonic
10-25-2004, 01:37 PM
I made a boot disk with all your bios'

http://files.aonic.net/Thug-Bios-Flash-Disk.zip


*********************************************
Backup:
*********************************************
WFFLASH.EXE -S backup.rom

*********************************************
Install:
*********************************************
WFFLASH.EXE NM file.rom

*********************************************
List:
*********************************************
Default LE / 325x1100 / 1.3v gpu [ LE-D.rom
LE to GT / 350x1100 / 1.4v gpu [ LE-GT14.rom
LE to GT / 350x1100 / 1.5v gpu [ LE-GT15.rom
LE to Ultra / 350x1100 / 1.4v gpu [ LE-U14.rom
LE to Ultra / 350x1100 / 1.5v gpu [ LE-U15.rom
*********************************************

I just remembered.. the boot disk contains some files that windows likes to hide from the user. so make sure you extract the zip directly to the floppy

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 01:55 PM
thx aonic :wave:


anyways ~ the 6800LE now works just like a 6800Ultra.

:rock: :rock: :rock:

aonic
10-25-2004, 01:57 PM
nice nice, :)

Chipsy
10-25-2004, 02:02 PM
Just to let you know guys - mine 2D / 3D overclocking works too ...2D is 325 , when switching to 3D Riva Tuner shows , that the card chsnges its frequencies - 400 or 425 , whatever I put :)

aonic
10-25-2004, 02:04 PM
you should use 350 for GT / Ultra bioses in 2D mode the temps drop

vallybally
10-25-2004, 02:48 PM
So the links to the BIOSs on the first page are the new updated ones with corrected dual fan/dual mode Thugs?

Is the GT still slightly faster than the Ultra at every speed?

aonic
10-25-2004, 02:59 PM
ya, GT uses tighter memory timings so it will always be faster :) unless a new ultra bios comes out with tighter timings

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 03:06 PM
So the links to the BIOSs on the first page are the new updated ones with corrected dual fan/dual mode Thugs?

Is the GT still slightly faster than the Ultra at every speed?
yes all offered files have been updated to repair the 2D/3D mode switching.

LE-GT is still faster then LE-Ultra.
ive already tried all the new Ultra bios files available (including the Ultra Extreme bios), nothing worth talking about on that front.

the LE-Ultra file is still based on the Ultra rev04 bios.
the LE-GT file is now based on the GT rev02 bios.

:beer:

Magwa
10-25-2004, 03:07 PM
the artifacts you have are from OCing core too far.

:beer:

My core was only at 375mhz :|

I did take my heatsink off my GPU and put some artic silver on it though. Also, the artifacts only show in war3x and aquamark, but not 3dmark05 even at 435mhz. Any Suggestions?

Also it seems like my memory can run at 1260 whereas it seems like most people can run at ~1160

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 03:12 PM
dont get too nuts.

we are still expecting new drivers for the GF6, all current drivers still have quite a few rendering bugs.
(nothing todo with our modding here)

wait for new drivers....

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 03:14 PM
some artifacts may disappear if you use "High Quality" in the performance renderer.

HTH :)

Magwa
10-25-2004, 04:27 PM
some artifacts may disappear if you use "High Quality" in the performance renderer.

HTH :)

Didnt work :irk:

I just tried to plug in my DVI Lcd into the other slot in the back and it didnt work. I tried to reboot twice and still didnt work. Right now i am using the one in the "middle" next to the s-video. Does everyone have both DVI ports working?

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 04:39 PM
yea i tried switching dvi ports when i hit OCing "artifacts" too, didnt fix it.

both my ports work fine, but i wasnt using both at the same time.

:)

aonic
10-25-2004, 05:20 PM
News on GT temp issues:

I told a friend to run 3dmark03 at the same time i did
he has a real eVGA 6800 GT

Start:

Real GT:
Case SYS: 28
Card PCB: 42
Card GPU: 60

LE to GT:
Case SYS: 30
Card PCB: 38
Card GPU: 56

Note: My Card TEMPs are lower by 4 C


Ending:

Real GT:
Case SYS: 28
Card PCB: 48
Card GPU: 64

LE to GT:
Case SYS: 33
Card PCB: 44
Card GPU: 60


Conclusion: Temprature increases were about the same

I have to go over his house some day and record his temps while play CS Source

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 05:29 PM
nice work :yup:

do you think the difference is in the coolers? or ambiant temp?

aonic
10-25-2004, 05:37 PM
well we have the ultra coolers so thats why I think my temps were 4C cooler

but I think the temp rise is caused by PCB temprature increase

tylerhskate
10-25-2004, 06:38 PM
So i flash with the LE-GT bios which is 1.5v, and is also 350/1000 stock am i correct?

aonic
10-25-2004, 06:50 PM
yes
but be warned.. going from 1.3 to 1.5 most likely WILL lower your cards life

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 07:13 PM
hehe~ dont be so dramatic ;)
stock LE voltage is 1.4v, so its only actually going from 1.4v to 1.5v :wpleased:

aonic
10-25-2004, 07:20 PM
it told me 1.3v :x

well im not sure but
when i was in Nbitior and was looking @ the GT bios and LE bios
the 1.3v was in green
but the 1.4v was in green for your bios

also the LE is 1.1 / 1.3 / 1.4
so i like to keep the default levels :p
yes im paranoid :shhh: :beat:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 07:27 PM
1.1v = 2d mode
1.3v = unused (throttle voltage)
1.4v = 3d mode

not all bios files use the same VID, and are not in the same order. nibitor is wrong ;)

:)

aonic
10-25-2004, 07:33 PM
i see, why did you set your throttle voltage to 1.4 :P

also, in RT it says with the default GT bios w/ memory clock change

$ffffffffff NVIDIA VGA BIOS information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$1100000000 Title : GeForce 6800 GT BIOS
$1100000002 Version : 5.40.02.15.02
$1100000001 BMP version : 5.28
$1100000100 BIT version : 1.00
$1100010000 Perf. level 0 : 350MHz/550MHz/1.30V
$1100020000 VID bitmask : 00000011b
$1100020100 Voltage level 0 : 1.10V, VID 00000000b
$1100020101 Voltage level 1 : 1.30V, VID 00000010b
$1100020102 Voltage level 2 : 1.40V, VID 00000001b
$1100000003 SW masked units : none

what does that 1.30v mean

vallybally
10-25-2004, 07:49 PM
Since we're on voltages, I'm curious what ya'lls default mobo AGP voltages are set to cause mine's at 1.55 default on an Abit IC7-MAX3.... Is that the same as the video card voltage? Or is it more like a cap or ceiling whereas the video card BIOS voltage is what is forecebly pumped into the card?

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 07:50 PM
you and RT are reading the entries out of order.
my files hook them in a different order.

use NiBiTor v1.6a (not v1.7!) to view them correctly.
(the 1.3v is the throttle voltage)

:)

BB_One
10-25-2004, 07:55 PM
ThugsRook and aonic,

I sure hope the 2 of you will combine force when all this is finalized and do a new thread with all pertinent info, so we can ask for it to be stickied. This thread is well into 12 pages now and will be hard to follow in order to perform such an oc.

Sure would be a great addition reflecting your excellent work and testing.

Congrats people...well done.

nVmatrix
10-25-2004, 07:57 PM
I knew it!!! I knew these cards were gold!!!

I tried the new LE-GT15 bios and all I have to say is:

Old bios: max O/C- 405mhz/1.2ghz with some texture issues in 3dmark03
New bios: max O/C- 475mhz/1.3ghz seems to need more power

I have a rock soild speed of 450mhz/1.25ghz no issues what so ever. I ran Doom3, 3dmark01, 03, 05, without any problems.

I got all the way to 480mhz on the core and it seems to need more power. I don't have any video issues but it tends to lock up about halfway into 3Dmark03. If I bump it down to 475 all is good, but its running very hot under load.

I looped the nature game off 3dmark01 @ 1600x1200 4xAA/ 32bit/ triple buffer for about 45min. here are the results:

Ambient temp: 39c

450mhz: 81c
465mhz: 81c
475mhz: 83c
480mhz: 84c

I'm aliite worried about temps and the voltage being 1.5v I hope it doesn't shorten the life of the card to much. Also my old 3Dmark score was 11,887marks, heres the new one at 450mhz/1.25ghz

http://img39.exs.cx/img39/6981/3d20031.jpg

I love this card :rock:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 07:58 PM
i see, why did you set your throttle voltage to 1.4 :P

also, in RT it says with the default GT bios w/ memory clock change

$ffffffffff NVIDIA VGA BIOS information
$ffffffffff ---------------------------------------------------
$1100000000 Title : GeForce 6800 GT BIOS
$1100000002 Version : 5.40.02.15.02
$1100000001 BMP version : 5.28
$1100000100 BIT version : 1.00
$1100010000 Perf. level 0 : 350MHz/550MHz/1.30V
$1100020000 VID bitmask : 00000011b
$1100020100 Voltage level 0 : 1.10V, VID 00000000b
$1100020101 Voltage level 1 : 1.30V, VID 00000010b
$1100020102 Voltage level 2 : 1.40V, VID 00000001b
$1100000003 SW masked units : none

what does that 1.30v mean


oh duh! ic what youre talking about now (youre looking at the stock gt bios) that 1.4v entry is unused.
in this case 1.3v is the 3d voltage.

my bios is in a different order to hook the 1.4v as 3D mode.

use NiBiTor v1.6a so itll be less confusing ;)

aonic
10-25-2004, 07:58 PM
ya i knew my investment would not be wasted :)

Thanks for the explaination on the voltages Thugs :)

in this case 1.3v is the 3d voltage.
my bios is in a different order to hook the 1.4v as 3D mode.

ya thats what I was talking about :P


Edit: ahh your right.. 1.6a is SOO much better
ya your right. LE does use 1.4 :P, so i was all paranoid for all this time for nothing :coocoo: :bonk:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 08:04 PM
ya i knew my investment would not be wasted :)

Thanks for the explaination on the voltages Thugs :)

in this case 1.3v is the 3d voltage.
my bios is in a different order to hook the 1.4v as 3D mode.

ya thats what I was talking about :P
hehe~ yea i couldnt figure out where all your confusion was coming from, til i opened v1.7 to check something and realized...... :coocoo:

v1.6a will releave all confusion ;)

:beer:

aonic
10-25-2004, 08:08 PM
note to all the people using my boot disk kit
the boot disk contains some files that windows likes to hide from the user. so make sure you extract the zip directly to the floppy

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 08:12 PM
ThugsRook and aonic,

I sure hope the 2 of you will combine force when all this is finalized and do a new thread with all pertinent info, so we can ask for it to be stickied. This thread is well into 12 pages now and will be hard to follow in order to perform such an oc.
actually, everything you need to know is in the main post. the rest of it is just BLOG and us communicating to each other.

i suppose i should post a note in the main post so ppl dont feel they have to read the whole thing in order to do this :bonk:

aonic
10-25-2004, 08:13 PM
put my temprature findings on the main post :rotflmao: for other paranoid people like me :hide:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 08:38 PM
put my temprature findings on the main post :rotflmao: for other paranoid people like me :hide:
:lol::rotflmao::lol:
well we resolved that myth, and we got dual mode fan switching working too.... nothing to fear! especially on the 1.4v bios ;)

the funny end part of it all ~ i really like this EXPERTool! :rock:

:beer:

QuaCk
10-25-2004, 08:39 PM
just ordered my 6800LE
is there a huge risk in flashing the bios?
you guys say it will void my warranty and malfunctions are totally on my behalf and it's kind of scaring me
but since you guys are able to do it, i'm willing to give it a try, just don't want to chuck away $350 :/

i've never overcloked before but your results are simply stunning and i want it :D
with the bios flashing, do i need to configure the voltage for the vid card before hand
or will the bios flash take care of that? also will i need to increase anything in terms of clock speed? or again will the bios take care of that as default?

i've noticed your rigs are all modded and since my rig is totally stock, in which i want it to remain for now ... does that hinder results of the 6800LE's performance?

which bios update would you guys recommend for for superior gaming performance?

thanks in advance

nVmatrix
10-25-2004, 08:47 PM
Sweet:

Doom3 - 1280x1024 HQ- 74.1fps

3Dmark05- 4,803marks

blk94f150
10-25-2004, 08:52 PM
You can screw up a bios flash. But read the guide in the first post and it's pretty fool proof. Make sure you save the stock one first. It will void your warrenty. (But so will OCing it technically) Use the LE-GT15 bios. It's the best one. The rest of the system may hold it back some, but the results will still be dramatic. Right now, my system has to be run stock because of low power and I'm now scoring 120 away from 13K in 3dmark03.

Mike

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 09:00 PM
Since we're on voltages, I'm curious what ya'lls default mobo AGP voltages are set to cause mine's at 1.55 default on an Abit IC7-MAX3.... Is that the same as the video card voltage? Or is it more like a cap or ceiling whereas the video card BIOS voltage is what is forecebly pumped into the card?
motherboard AGP voltage is for the motherboard/memory controller, not the GPU voltage.
many ppl will claim higher vid card and system OCs by raising the AGP voltage, and i agree with them ;)

HTH :)

aonic
10-25-2004, 09:08 PM
Ok, I included instructions with the disks and i fixed the issues of them not working:

http://files.aonic.net/Arch/

just read the readme to find out what the zip contains and how to flash succesfully
tommorow I will be added some scripts to make it easier for people who messed up to flash without being able to see..
I will see how that goes and i will add a help menu
I will be making .bat scripts after like 4 years :P

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 09:11 PM
just ordered my 6800LE
is there a huge risk in flashing the bios?

with the bios flashing, do i need to configure the voltage for the vid card before hand or will the bios flash take care of that?

also will i need to increase anything in terms of clock speed? or again will the bios take care of that as default?

i've noticed your rigs are all modded and since my rig is totally stock, in which i want it to remain for now ... does that hinder results of the 6800LE's performance?

which bios update would you guys recommend for for superior gaming performance?

1) yes & no, there is a marginal risk

2) bios takes care of that

3) bios will default to 350mhz x 1100mhz, OCing further is upto you. youll need the coolbits file offered in the main post or you can use EXPERTool. (or both)

4) not really, a little yea, but not really

5) the LE-GT 1.4v (1.5v is for more advanced users)

:beer:

QuaCk
10-25-2004, 09:16 PM
thanks for that
so by using the LE-GT 1.4v i could get the same results as if i were to use the 1.5v?
i don't actually want to take it to the maximum capabilities of the card.
by hitting 400 i'll be chuffed.

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 09:37 PM
thanks for that
so by using the LE-GT 1.4v i could get the same results as if i were to use the 1.5v?
i don't actually want to take it to the maximum capabilities of the card.
by hitting 400 i'll be chuffed.
the 1.5v bios could potentially get you an extra 15mhz depending on alot of things.
the LE-GT 1.4v bios should be able to get any avgJoe OCer to 400x1100.

:beer:

cat13
10-25-2004, 09:39 PM
i just wonder how can EVGA get to know i flashed my bios if i frash back before i send back(if i will, evil quesition :na: )

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 09:44 PM
i just wonder how can EVGA get to know i flashed my bios if i frash back before i send back(if i will, evil quesition :na: )
we do not discuss such things here :na:

you prolly wont get the chance to flash back :smash:

i think they can tell if a bios has been flashed :mischeif:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 09:58 PM
Joe Camel posted naked pics in his OC.com thread!

no, not those kind of naked pics. pics of the card....
link to thread (http://www.ocforums.com/showpost.php?p=3176068&postcount=62)

:rock:

xboxexpert
10-25-2004, 10:43 PM
I flashed the card with perfect results....rebooted...and i get a blank screen...Weird but fixable, fixed it by reflashing blind in dos...but hey i figured if i could go back and reflash successfully why not mess with this problem a little more...so what i did was flashed my card with the bios and ran over to my 2nd pc...remote admin'ed in and what did i see....i saw windows booted up and my video card a GT...well interesing that it worked perfect but i cant get video out of my samsung 213T monitor...im using DVI connectors...any IDEA?

nVmatrix
10-25-2004, 11:02 PM
ok, here are some numbers:

LE-GT14.bios - 450/1250mhz (52c/77c) MAX O/C- 470/1250mhz( 3Dmark03 locks up, power issue)

LE-GT15.bios - 450/1250mhz (54c/81c) MAX O/C- 480/1250mhz (3Dmark03 locks up, power issue)

So I only get about 10mhz more from the higher voltage BIOS. The card runs pretty good up to 465mhz(1.4v) or 475mhz(1.5v) after that things get fishy when running 3Dmark apps, but most games and windows or stable.

So I'm very very happy I have a eVGA Ultra Extreme for $325

Magwa
10-25-2004, 11:04 PM
I flashed the card with perfect results....rebooted...and i get a blank screen...Weird but fixable, fixed it by reflashing blind in dos...but hey i figured if i could go back and reflash successfully why not mess with this problem a little more...so what i did was flashed my card with the bios and ran over to my 2nd pc...remote admin'ed in and what did i see....i saw windows booted up and my video card a GT...well interesing that it worked perfect but i cant get video out of my samsung 213T monitor...im using DVI connectors...any IDEA?

Try using the other DVI connector. The "Middle" one next to the s-video. My "outside" or "bottom" DVI doesnt seem to work with DVi, but it does with the VGA connector.

Magwa
10-25-2004, 11:20 PM
Thugs:

you ever used coolbits2? I noticed you linked to the first one, but i didnt know if you knew the other existed. Well, here is the link:

http://www.driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=50267&page=1

p.s. Thanks again for all the help with everything, i think my 360mhz core artifacts are due to only 18 amps on the 12v rail. I got up to 450 core on a diferent PS with 22A rail and stoped trying to go further. :thumb:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 11:27 PM
ok, here are some numbers:

LE-GT14.bios - 450/1250mhz (52c/77c) MAX O/C- 470/1250mhz( 3Dmark03 locks up, power issue)

LE-GT15.bios - 450/1250mhz (54c/81c) MAX O/C- 480/1250mhz (3Dmark03 locks up, power issue)

So I only get about 10mhz more from the higher voltage BIOS. The card runs pretty good up to 465mhz(1.4v) or 475mhz(1.5v) after that things get fishy when running 3Dmark apps, but most games and windows or stable.

So I'm very very happy I have a eVGA Ultra Extreme for $325

awesome OC :thumbs:

how about trying a eVGA all copper heatsink (http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?Part_Number=202-F1-EV18-01) @ 1.5v? :mischeif:

ThugsRook
10-25-2004, 11:37 PM
you ever used coolbits2?

I got up to 450 core.... :thumb:
i strongly suggest not using coolbits2.

another nice OC :thumbs:

xboxexpert
10-25-2004, 11:53 PM
Try using the other DVI connector. The "Middle" one next to the s-video. My "outside" or "bottom" DVI doesnt seem to work with DVi, but it does with the VGA connector.


Your F'ing amazing...i switched it over to DVI #2 and it works flawlessly...i know why too on the GT's and ultra's the DVI connector is on the left and the other connector is VGA so its looking for the VGA but its not there thats why DVI wasnt working for me...

Why not use coolbits 2? any specific reason?

Im about to run 3dmark05 and give you some amazing scores!?@!

Currently im flashed with the GT14 rom and im running at 57C idle 400/1200

vallybally
10-26-2004, 09:52 AM
Man, my GPU core always shows 65, how is everyone in the 50s? I even drilled a few blowholes last week for better circulation...

Ya'll checking with nVidia advanced properties tab right?

bigdruid
10-26-2004, 10:01 AM
I've been checking my temps in RivaTuner. It runs about 58c in 2D mode (350Mhz) and in the low 60s in 3D mode (400Mhz). I haven't gone higher with them...yet :)

Thanks, ThugsRook, for your work and experimentation with the BIOSes - heck, just having the dual-mode fan is worth reflashing the BIOS. Interestingly enough, the GT BIOS supposedly has tighter memory timings, but I can clock my memory 100MHz *higher* with the GT BIOS than I could with the default. Weird, huh?

-druid

vallybally
10-26-2004, 10:03 AM
That is weird BigDruid. Defies logic.

blk94f150
10-26-2004, 10:12 AM
I would also like to know why you don't recommend coolbits 2.

As far as temps go, I'm usually between 45-49 idle and in the 50s load. Never hit 60 yet. 435/1.2 stable. I'm using the new LE-GT15 bios.

Mike

Magwa
10-26-2004, 11:19 AM
That is weird BigDruid. Defies logic.

A lot of thing with this card defies logic. Like why 350 core runs cooler then 325 core. :?:

But i guess it doesnt matter because we all got a heck of a deal :fire:

DGM09
10-26-2004, 11:54 AM
ok, here are some numbers:

LE-GT14.bios - 450/1250mhz (52c/77c) MAX O/C- 470/1250mhz( 3Dmark03 locks up, power issue)

LE-GT15.bios - 450/1250mhz (54c/81c) MAX O/C- 480/1250mhz (3Dmark03 locks up, power issue)

So I only get about 10mhz more from the higher voltage BIOS. The card runs pretty good up to 465mhz(1.4v) or 475mhz(1.5v) after that things get fishy when running 3Dmark apps, but most games and windows or stable.

So I'm very very happy I have a eVGA Ultra Extreme for $325
What power supply are you using, Vmatrix?

aonic
10-26-2004, 01:29 PM
Thugs, do you have aim or msn or something.. so we can discuss the new boot disk


1. ThugsRook has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

glorfy
10-26-2004, 01:58 PM
Sorry about earlier - what I would like you guys to test with is rthdribl (http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/) as this will really warm things up! You can leave the temperature window open while its running - see what you get. I would be very suprised if U got temps in the 50s ... if U do either yours or mine are 180 in the wrong direction! After warming GPU well into the 70s, it cools down to 50s within seconds - literally!

aonic
10-26-2004, 02:06 PM
sneak peak of the upcoming bootdisk:
http://aonic.net/~aonic/bios.jpg

It beeps:
1 time when its ready(at the menu)
2 times when you begin flashing to default bios
3 times after its done flashing the bios to default and you can reboot now.

This is to help the people who messed up their flash

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 02:51 PM
...and im back! (SNL DJ skit)

sorry for the delay, slight account problem on my end :o


looks great aonic! but you spelled my name wrong :na:
LMK when its 100% and ill link it up in the main post.

everything is still working great here with the 10-25-04 bios'es.
my idle temp is hangin @ 54*C and the fan kicks on and off just like its supposed to.
no oddities at all on my rig, and very stable @ 425x1100 :rock:

time for me to kick it up a notch (or 2) ;)

aonic
10-26-2004, 03:38 PM
oops :D ehehe sorry.. that was a ghetto version.. i just found CHOICE.COM so im making real menu's now

btw whats your aim

aonic
10-26-2004, 05:01 PM
here it is guys!!
http://files.aonic.net/bios/demo.jpg

im gona go do some real flashing tests and then post the self-extracting image file

Magwa
10-26-2004, 05:12 PM
Um, good job Aonic, but i dont see a option to get to the help menu. Am i missing soemthing, or did you forget a option in the main menu? :irk:

i.e. "help" to goto help menu

I dunno maybe i just have to have it running on my computer to get a feel for it. :yup:

aonic
10-26-2004, 05:16 PM
oh, if you pick "Advanced" mode it will show you that help menu. otherwise you dont really need it
i just tested it and it works great. just adding some status reporting

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 05:18 PM
the "help" option is there, its at the very bottom.


very nice work :yup:

Magwa
10-26-2004, 05:20 PM
I downloaded it off Kazaa last week :rotflmao: LOL

I mean i was trying to give you a suggestion based off the pics. ;)

Where do we donate money to you and Thugs?? :bow:

Magwa
10-26-2004, 05:21 PM
the "help" option is there, its at the very bottom.


yeah, but that is on the help page. no one will be able to read that if they dont know how to get there. :o

aonic
10-26-2004, 05:22 PM
I downloaded it off Kazaa last week :rotflmao: LOL

I mean i was trying to give you a suggestion based off the pics. ;)


ya sorry :P coding batch files all day makes me stupid :P i just realized what you meant

DGM09
10-26-2004, 05:22 PM
I have been following the thread, but I still have a three very basic questions before I download and flash:
1. What makes these bios better than the stock eVGA bios?
2. Did you start with and then modify the eVGA bios? In what areas? Why?
3. How would this affect my waurantee?

Forgive my conservativism as it is clear you two have done a lot of great work, but I am new to OCing. I would like to start though, and this seems to be the perfect situation.

Rivatuner shows my card as: "SW masked units : none" and "HW masked units : none", so the bios is probably all that I need to get a true Ultra. ... WhooHooooo (Maybe I'll take the $300 I saved and play Pebble Beach .... or my local muni course 15 times!)

I am running it now at 370/1195 and it seems stable and cool.

The card had a problem with the fan slightly rubbing the top plate when I got it and I think that's why it ended up in the LE bin. I fixed that in 15 mins and it's happily hummed along since.

aonic
10-26-2004, 05:24 PM
yeah, but that is on the help page. no one will be able to read that if they dont know how to get there. :o


oh, if you pick "Advanced" mode it will show you that help menu. otherwise you dont really need it

heres another teaser:
http://files.aonic.net/bios/install.jpg

automated installer

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 05:35 PM
I have been following the thread, but I still have a three very basic questions before I download and flash:

1. What makes these bios better than the stock eVGA bios?

2. Did you start with and then modify the eVGA bios? In what areas? Why?

3. How would this affect my waurantee?

1) faster card, higher OC, dual speed clocking and cooling.

2) yes these are modified eVGA files (not that it matters). they are modified for compatability with our 6800LE cards to make this a more simple mod for users, with the least amount of risk possible.

3) your warranty will instantly be voided.


:beer:

aonic
10-26-2004, 05:36 PM
Its time! Built from the ground up using a Windows98 bootdisk (so it can store more bios files).
It now uses menu's to help new people, and has beep's to help you if you mess up your flashing and need to flash back without being able to see the screen.

Features:
http://files.aonic.net/bios/demo.jpg

Installer:
http://files.aonic.net/bios/install.jpg

The Disk:
http://files.aonic.net/bios/evga_bios_kit.exe

I just flashed to LE using the "1" on the main menu, and flashed back using the 1.3v of LE - GT. Worked flawlessly.

Ps. you can put it on the main post now Thugs :)

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 05:50 PM
posted!

great work :thumb:

DGM09
10-26-2004, 05:52 PM
Cool.

Adding my voice to the crowd:

You guys rock!

aonic
10-26-2004, 05:54 PM
Cool, add the link to the demo.jpg picture under it so people know what it is :P

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 06:00 PM
Cool, add the link to the demo.jpg picture under it so people know what it is :P
was already doing that :na: ;)

aonic
10-26-2004, 06:01 PM
hehehe :D i submited the default LE bios to mvktech and also emailed him the bios kit, maybe he will add it to his utilities page

gandolf
10-26-2004, 06:20 PM
I wish that bios kit would work for me!
Wfflash will not work with my computer.
With the bios kit I get a single beep and a lock up.
No matter how I use wfflash. Floppy, boot-CD it locks up my computer.
Some others have this same problem.
Real neat file though, I just wish I could use it!

aonic
10-26-2004, 06:24 PM
ya, seems like a WFFlash issue on your computer, Joe camel on OCforums flashed using a old version of nvflash, you might want to give that a try (he posted how he did it)

gandolf
10-26-2004, 06:29 PM
Odd thing, it flashed to the ultra rev4 evga file (NVflash). If I ever figure it out I will post.
Maybe it is a issue with the AMD 64 90(nano) there may not be a lot of them out there yet?
The board is a MSI neo 2 platinum.

aonic
10-26-2004, 06:32 PM
wow ^ my dream cpu + mobo for like the past monthg

I dont think it can be a issue with that.. try what that joe camel guy did
.
ok here's what i did to get this thing to flash:

-used nvflash 5.08 to backup stock bios

-used nvflash 4.42 to flash to thugsrook's (1.5V 325/1100) "LE to GT BIOS" with "nvflash -p -u -f <file name>.rom"

-reinstall drivers



all seems to have gone well. only thing ive noticed is my GPU temps have gone from 50C to 60C IDLE

think i might try to reistall HSF and put some AS5 in b4 i OC....

EDIT:
once i OC >350 temps drop back to 50C idle...
ran through 1/2 of '03 (@ 410) and temps never went >69C

gandolf
10-26-2004, 06:44 PM
I tried that no worky, nvflash works for the ultra file (or a modded version of the same file). Any thing else gives that id, vendor mismatch thing.

I have always been a Intel person until last Friday when I built this rig. Amd once had some combustibility or is that compatibility:) problems (a real pain) and they may still. AVG anti-virus software will cause a need to format with sp2 and this set-up. It will not boot with that software and sp2?
I'm using nod32 with no problems. I love this stuff, Great fun!

aonic
10-26-2004, 06:48 PM
ive been running amd's since 1999 and i have not had any problems :P ever (that were hardware related)

nVmatrix
10-26-2004, 07:07 PM
What power supply are you using, Vmatrix?


Using a Antec True Power 430w

aonic
10-26-2004, 07:11 PM
heh im using a 400watt powmax PSU.. it sux ass its always giving me warnings on the rails and stuff

nVmatrix
10-26-2004, 07:14 PM
Whats funny is that when I first saw this card I thought it could be a great one. I posted alot of stuff in other forums, but ThugsRook really opened these cards to there true speeds. Thanks for the time you spent on making the most out of these cards.

PS- has anyone tested the O/Cing difference between the BIOS? I would like to use the Ultra BIOS but don't want to lose the 450/1.25 overclock.

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 08:49 PM
both files OC (core) the same.
the jury is still out on which bios can OC the mem better.

remember the LE-GT bios pumps out much better benchmarks clock for clock. the LE-Ultra has quite a bit of catching up to do right off the bat performance wise.

:beer:

ThugsRook
10-26-2004, 09:35 PM
i am getting some reports that dual mode fan switching isnt working perfectly for everyone. some say it doesnt spin up during 3d apps, and some say it doesnt spin up during certain 3d apps. (Doom3 most notibly)

they are also saying that they dont care and would rather that it didnt spin up anyway :lol: (there is only a 2*C difference according to my results @ 425mhz 1.5v)

if you are having a fan problem and want it to speed up during 3d apps ~ all you have to do is install EXPERTool. you dont even have to configure it, just install it.

:beer:

EDIT: oh, and if you DONT want the fan to speed up during 3d apps ~ EXPERTool can do that too.

QuaCk
10-27-2004, 12:01 AM
I think I speak on behalf of everyone when I say:
THANK YOU ThugsRook and aonic.
You guys have been really friendly and helpful.

Lanolar
10-27-2004, 05:36 AM
Something is strange for me. I had flashed to the Ultra BIOS before the fan fix. So I went to flash to the GT "fixed" BIOS. It wont let me do it. I flashed to the original again and then tried the GT. Still no go. It would let me flash to the Ultra bios again though.

I used NVFLASH -5 -6. WFFLASH would just hang up and do nothing for me. I would love to use the faster memory timings of the GT BIOS but cant seem to make it use that BIOS.

gandolf
10-27-2004, 06:27 AM
Does anyone know if the graphics mem. latency's have been found on the 6800u's yet,,,or if anyone has optimized them for any gain........??

raidrus
10-27-2004, 06:54 AM
Hi to all,

I've been reading this forum since day one. Great job to all who have helped unleash this beast of a card.

To everybody having problems flashing. Try this:
-Download the latest nvflash (5.10) from guru3d
-use the following command "nvflash -j -4 -5 -6 xxx.rom"

I hope that helps.

I am having a problem that I don't think anybody has reported. First, my dual mode fan is not working. But thats ok, I can use ExpertTool. But my problem is that I am unable to overclock at all. Using coolbits or rivatuner. If I change the bios values for the core speed it runs stable at 425, but if i use the le-gt 1.4 bios or any other and then try to increase speed through windows (coolbits or rivatuner) it never passes the test. It seems like it doesn't even run the test, just tells me it failed. I even tried underclocking and running the test with the same results. Yesterday night, I did a format and tried again, same deal.

I'm sure my card can handle the higher speeds, I just can't take it there unless I mod the speed in the bios. Which then increases the temps and may be the reason for the dual mode not working. Anyone experience anything similar? Any suggestions?

aonic
10-27-2004, 09:28 AM
try using the perfomance tab in expertool

bigdruid
10-27-2004, 10:11 AM
Sorry about earlier - what I would like you guys to test with is rthdribl (http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/) as this will really warm things up! You can leave the temperature window open while its running - see what you get. I would be very suprised if U got temps in the 50s ... if U do either yours or mine are 180 in the wrong direction! After warming GPU well into the 70s, it cools down to 50s within seconds - literally!


I ran rthdribl, and got a high of 72c (48c ambient), up from 56c (40c ambient) at idle.

-druid

glorfy
10-27-2004, 10:30 AM
I ran rthdribl, and got a high of 72c (48c ambient), up from 56c (40c ambient) at idle.

-druid
Yah I figured you might! Just about the same as with a GT! Amazing how quick it cools down!

aonic
10-27-2004, 10:50 AM
from 27 Case, 37 Amb, 57 GPU IDLE
i went
425/1150 31 Case, 48 Amb, 74 GPU load

on default GT speeds:
31 Case, 47 Amb, 70 GPU

glorfy
10-27-2004, 10:55 AM
I'm just jealous of you guys! With my genuine GT I can only get 425/1120. I can set higher - but the screen totally corrupts and system hangs (I can set 449/1165), I don't know if its driver related, DX9 related, or more likely PSU related - I'm only reading 11.35 on the 12v rail. Hmm if any one has any suggestions PM me, seeing as it doesn't belong here!

Ta!

aonic
10-27-2004, 10:58 AM
my
-12 is @ -13.2
+3.3 @ 3.2
-5 @ -4.7
+12 @ 11.7

so :p

ps. cd-boot disk kit coming in 10 mins(thanks to Stave for the cd-rom boot files)

DrTre
10-27-2004, 10:58 AM
First of all, you guys are deserving of an award for your work with this card, you have made it possible for those of us who don't have the expertise that you do to take it to the next level. :thumbs:
I got one of these cards from ZZF and put it in last night, stock with my 2500+ XP and 512MB pc-3200 i got 3500 in 3dmark05, and oc'd with riva tuner to 350 core and 1100 mem 3600, which is a good start I would say. My only complaint thus far with this card is the noise. I am running an antec sonata and it was hard to tell if it was on at times before this card. I have looked at some other forums about the NV5 silencer, but it seems that the installation requires hacksawing the extra slot cover off of your card. Not too cool from my perspective as I was planning on not flashing with your bios kit until I'm sure I won't have to RMA. Any ideas? (apart from a 100$ pair of noise cancelling headphones? :D ).

gandolf
10-27-2004, 11:00 AM
"To everybody having problems flashing. Try this:
-Download the latest nvflash (5.10) from guru3d
-use the following command "nvflash -j -4 -5 -6 xxx.rom"


No Worky! mismatch still

gandolf
10-27-2004, 11:02 AM
Somebody work on the memory bios.
Then I won't need to flash to le-gt :beat:

ThugsRook
10-27-2004, 11:08 AM
seems as tho a few ppl are having probs flashing their card with our GT bios. (they can flash Ultra, but not GT)

....im working on a fix for that today.
unfortunately i cant "test flash it" cause i already know i can flash a GT bios ~ you guys with the GT flashing problem will have to test it for me.

im still not sure yet if this will be a replacement file(s), or an additional file(s).

:beer:

aonic
10-27-2004, 11:13 AM
the only one with the GT problem i saw was gandolf
and he cant use WFFLASH :(

aonic
10-27-2004, 11:20 AM
Just tested the CD-ROM Boot Disk Kit (thx to Stave)
Works great!!

CD-Image for eVGA 6800 LE Modded Bios Kit, CD package by Stave (http://files.aonic.net/bios/evga_bios_kit.iso)
put it on the main page Thugs :P

ThugsRook
10-27-2004, 12:45 PM
the only one with the GT problem i saw was gandolf
and he cant use WFFLASH :(
there are a fwe others that are "stuck" with the Ultra bios. im not making any headway on that yet.

i just got done testing the 70.41 beta drivers..... they are slow, worked fine, but very slow benchmarks.
(as if we are again unable to disable AA/AF)

:beer:

Lanolar
10-27-2004, 01:00 PM
Aye I am unable to use the gt bios but can use the ultra. I also cant use WFFLASH.

ThugsRook
10-27-2004, 01:26 PM
for those of you that cant flash with wfflash and/or cant flash anything but LE-Ultra bios...

have you tried putting your card in another system to flash it? (im think this has got to be a moboard problem)

ThugsRook
10-27-2004, 01:53 PM
:)