Kingston PC4000 US$60 rebate special

[eva2000]

For those in the USA

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=20-144-128

[XJ.]

Hmm, too bad it's on the pricer board...pretty good deal though.

[Skully]

Crap! I ordered and its on the way from Kingston direct. The same kit cost me incliding tax $234.15! I missed that one big time! :cry:

[ThugsRook]

ouch! :wack:

[XJ.]

Hmmm, the timming are pretty loose on that stuff. Sure it'll get you high fsbs, but will the performance improve much???

[Skully]

Originally posted by XJ.
Hmmm, the timming are pretty loose on that stuff. Sure it'll get you high fsbs, but will the performance improve much??? Looks like I'll be finding out if the creek don't rise! :D

[eva2000]

Originally posted by Skully
Crap! I ordered and its on the way from Kingston direct. The same kit cost me incliding tax $234.15! I missed that one big time! :cry: suxs doesn't it.. i paid AUD$400 for ocz pc3700 gold and now it's AUD$355 :(

[JoeBar]

Originally posted by eva2000
suxs doesn't it.. i paid AUD$400 for ocz pc3700 gold and now it's AUD$355 :(

And how low it's going to go now with pc4000 released... :)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by JoeBar
And how low it's going to go now with pc4000 released... :) that's it it went from 400 to 355 due to pc4000 release

[JoeBar]

Originally posted by eva2000
that's it it went from 400 to 355 due to pc4000 release

I'm talking about the future... ;)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by JoeBar
I'm talking about the future... ;) oh...... heheh

[Skully]

Yea but this was a preorder before kingston shipped PC4000! I get hit for $60. big ones. :rolleyes:

[Skully]

Canceled order from kingston's shop, and ordered from Newegg! Thanks eva2000 for the Newegg heads up. It saved me $47. big ones. :)

[Dr.2K]

Hola eva i see you are everywhere :) But yes damit i too got the raw end of the deal by ordering from Kingston Direct :( But o well i have them in my hands at this moment, so we shall see how these puppies perform. Also, i should have ocz pc4000 gold in sumtime within the next 2 weeks.

[eva2000]

Originally posted by Skully
Canceled order from kingston's shop, and ordered from Newegg! Thanks eva2000 for the Newegg heads up. It saved me $47. big ones. :) no probs :)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by Dr.2K
Hola eva i see you are everywhere :) But yes damit i too got the raw end of the deal by ordering from Kingston Direct :( But o well i have them in my hands at this moment, so we shall see how these puppies perform. Also, i should have ocz pc4000 gold in sumtime within the next 2 weeks. hehe i'm everywhere :D

nice to see you're here Dr.2k .. this is the place for memory enthuaists :)

[Skully]

I'm looking @ friday the earliest from Newegg to receive my Kingston PC4000!

[eva2000]

Originally posted by Skully
I'm looking @ friday the earliest from Newegg to receive my Kingston PC4000! most likely the same day i get my ADATA PC4000 :D

[Dr.2K]

Well eva and anyone else that has ordered the Kingston HyperX pc4000. All i got to say is "@#$@#$^@#$!@#$" piece of junk! Waste of time and money! Ok i will try and remain calm thru this.

First, It will not even run at ddr500/250FSB at 1:1 or 5:4 at any timings even with GAT on auto and with all the other good stuff disabled, i.e command per clock such and with vdimm at 2.65-2.85 and even with vcore up to 1.8v(recieved cheksum errors at 1.7v and 1.8v). I even went down as low as 240FSB/ddr480 at 3,4,4,8 with GAT on auto and finally got into and past the boot screen and into windows for 5 seconds and then auto reboot!

Well that was enough for me since my ocz3700 gold does 240FSB 1:1 with GAT at F1 @ 2,3,3,6, so no use going any lower on these sticks. What a shame and a scam! These are going back as soon as i get a rma from kingston tmorrow. I have tried both Kingston HyperX pc3500 and now pc4000 and have been seriously disapointed by both modules in all aspects.

Here are my specs:

Abit IC7-G / Bios 1.5
P4 3.0c@3.6 / FSB 240 (w/OCZ EL Gold Dual / DDR 480)
2xOCZ EL Gold Dual 256Mb pc3700@240FSB@2,3,3,6@1:1 w/GAT@F1 (Max Stability)
2xGEIL Golden Dragon Dual 256Mb pc3500@235FSB@2,3,3,5@1:1 w/GAT@F1 (Max Stability)
2xCorsair XMS 512Mb pc3500 (250FSB/Cant hack it @ divider)
2xCorsair XMS TwinX pc3700 (250FSB/Cant hack it @ any divider)
2xKingston HyperX 256Mb pc3500 (250FSB/Cant hack it @ any divider)
2xKingston HyperX 256Mb pc4000 (Will not do specified speed of DDR500/250FSB; Highest stable 235FSB 1:1 w/GAT on auto and at 3,4,4,8)
Koolance EXOS H20 on cpu, chipset, gpu and HD / 31 idle / 38 load
(2)WD 36GB Raptors Raid 0-16 Strip
(1)WD 120GB WJ8MB (Storage)
ATI Radeon 9800pro 256MB@470/390
Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platunum EX
Logitech Z680
Plexwriter Premium 52/32/52
Lite-On DVD 16x
Sony Floppy
Enermax 550W PSU
Thernaltake XaserII

[LastRide]

I don't know why people are buying this ram in the first place.I had a feeling this ram was crap from the start.I mean look at the memory timings for DDR 500.My OCZ Gold runs tighter timings than that at DDR 500.

[Dr.2K]

LOL, yes but some1 has to try them :) , plus i havnt found 1 memory to get me over 250FSB and stable at any timings! Yes alot of them can do it if u use a 2.4c, 2.6c and maybe a 2.8c, but i have yet to find 1 that will do that and more with my 3.0c, so search continues........

[eva2000]

well could be a bad pair ? i.e. my ocz pc3700 gold can't do any GAT on IC7 while yours can but mine can do 255mhz 1:1 at 2.5-4-4-7 at 2.8v on IC7 gat auto

[Jojo1971]

i just ordered a pair thanks for the info :)

[Dr.2K]

Yes eva that does happen i know, but one would think :confused: that if a manufacturer was the first to come out with a new product for the enthusiast market that the first shipments would be thoroughly tested to make sure that it would do the specified speed. I am just under the impression that not enough thorough tests were done on these modules to ensure the best quality.

I mean if you get unhappy people like myself, ;) who buy these modules and cannot get the advertised speed then they are just asking for bad reviews for their products. Well, I think i will stick with ocz and geil from now on. Btw eva, where can i get some of those adata you got? :)

[ThugsRook]

KHX3000 kicksazz tho :chit:

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by Dr.2K
Well eva and anyone else that has ordered the Kingston HyperX pc4000. All i got to say is "@#$@#$^@#$!@#$" piece of junk! Waste of time and money! Ok i will try and remain calm thru this.

First, It will not even run at ddr500/250FSB at 1:1 or 5:4 at any timings even with GAT on auto and with all the other good stuff disabled, i.e command per clock such and with vdimm at 2.65-2.85 and even with vcore up to 1.8v(recieved cheksum errors at 1.7v and 1.8v). I even went down as low as 240FSB/ddr480 at 3,4,4,8 with GAT on auto and finally got into and past the boot screen and into windows for 5 seconds and then auto reboot!

Well that was enough for me since my ocz3700 gold does 240FSB 1:1 with GAT at F1 @ 2,3,3,6, so no use going any lower on these sticks. What a shame and a scam! These are going back as soon as i get a rma from kingston tmorrow. I have tried both Kingston HyperX pc3500 and now pc4000 and have been seriously disapointed by both modules in all aspects.




I'm confused about something. To run your 3.0 at 250fsb it would be running at about 3.8 or 3.9 right? Yet you say it's the memory's fault that you couldn't get your pc to 250. Could it be the cpu holding you back? I was thinking about this because you couldn't run 250FSB with ANY of the memory you listed, not just the Kingston PC400. :confused:

[Dr.2K]

Well it would be 3.7ghz and yes i have thought of that also, but u c i also have a 2.6c which had the same problem. But also as i have used better ram, i.e., ocz gold i have gotten steadily higher. But if it was soley due to my cpu then that would be a moot point. I am sure this cpu can go higher I just know it. I can feel it lol :D

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by Dr.2K
Well it would be 3.7ghz and yes i have thought of that also, but u c i also have a 2.6c which had the same problem. But also as i have used better ram, i.e., ocz gold i have gotten steadily higher. But if it was soley due to my cpu then that would be a moot point. I am sure this cpu can go higher I just know it. I can feel it lol :D

So, you ran this memory under completely invalid conditions and it didn't work and you called it junk. That's pretty f*****g stupid. Be glad you're not on my testing team cause I'd fire you in a heartbeat.

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by Dr.2K
Well it would be 3.7ghz and yes i have thought of that also, but u c i also have a 2.6c which had the same problem. But also as i have used better ram, i.e., ocz gold i have gotten steadily higher. But if it was soley due to my cpu then that would be a moot point. I am sure this cpu can go higher I just know it. I can feel it lol :D

did you try 5:4 ratio to single out your cpu for max speed before using your system to test ram?

i wouldnt trust a true ram test unless the cpu was running default vcore anyways. (the 2.4c guys should be the ones testing this stuff)

[Mikki]

shootcraps, easy mate...wrong or not, there's no need for flamage....:stop: :)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by ThugsRook

i wouldnt trust a true ram test unless the cpu was running default vcore anyways. (the 2.4c guys should be the ones testing this stuff) yeah hence why i ordered 2 more 2.4Cs hopefully they do more than my current 2.4C's max 275FSB heh

[ThugsRook]

thats right Mikki ~ you can flame anything you want, just not other members. (not even if they are flaming something ;) )

communication is the key :-)

it stands to reason that if he cant get OCZ gold past 240fsb, nothing will get him past 240fsb.

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by eva2000
yeah hence why i ordered 2 more 2.4Cs hopefully they do more than my current 2.4C's max 275FSB heh

you have to be careful you dont hit a moboard limitation.

for months i was testing ram on a P4B533. after a 5th stick ram maxed out at exactly 454ddr it became quite obvious the board(s) couldnt go any further then that ;)

[eva2000]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
you have to be careful you dont hit a moboard limitation.

for months i was testing ram on a P4B533. after a 5th stick ram maxed out at exactly 454ddr it became quite obvious the board(s) couldnt go any further then that ;) hmm PX865PE PRO2, IC7 and if possible P4C800-E :D

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by Mikki
shootcraps, easy mate...wrong or not, there's no need for flamage....:stop: :)

sorry. Just got a little ****ed.

[Dr.2K]

What was the invalidity of my test? I am sorry if my test doesnt incompass all testing situations as does bigtoe, eva and some others. I'm just posting what i have found with my particular setup. Unless you have personally tested these stuff yourself you can take the info anyway you like. But my understanding is if the the manufacturer says it does 250FSB 1:1 then it should do those settings no matter what cpu u r using, simple as that. And if it cant do 250FSB at 5:4 or 3:2 then theres definately something wrong. Let me reiterate, if a manufacturer is going to put out products for the "enthusiest market" then it should be tested in a variety of situations and combinations and not just thrown into any test rig and if it happens to do those speeds at that moment then put it out on the market. When i talked to Kingston on the phone the tech guy didnt even know what the testing conditions were and what motherboards they were even tested under.

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by Dr.2K
What was the invalidity of my test? I am sorry if my test doesnt incompass all testing situations as does bigtoe, eva and some others. I'm just posting what i have found with my particular setup. Unless you have personally tested these stuff yourself you can take the info anyway you like. But my understanding is if the the manufacturer says it does 250FSB 1:1 then it should do those settings no matter what cpu u r using, simple as that. And if it cant do 250FSB at 5:4 or 3:2 then theres definately something wrong. Let me reiterate, if a manufacturer is going to put out products for the "enthusiest market" then it should be tested in a variety of situations and combinations and not just thrown into any test rig and if it happens to do those speeds at that moment then put it out on the market. When i talked to Kingston on the phone the tech guy didnt even know what the testing conditions were and what motherboards they were even tested under.

Your test was invalid because your mobo/cpu won't run at 250FSB. If it won't, how can you expect to test memory at 250? All cpu/mobo (even the same model) won't overclock to the same level. Some will go to 280 and beyond and some won't go over 230 no matter what you do. Yours apparently won't go above 240 so it's impossible for you to test it or even run it at its default speed. What you were doing was like trying to test the top speed of a Corvette in your driveway.

I got ****ed (Mikki and Thugsrook) because you get on here yelling that its crap and other people are seeing your post and saying "Oh yeah that stuff's crap so I'm not gonna buy it either" without even thinking of how you tested it. AND people are quoting you on other forums and they're flaming this memory without it being tested properly. Now that's not quite fair to Kingston, is it? I'm sure that OCZguy wouldn't appreciate someone flaming his companies product using an invalid test.

[Dr.2K]

Yes you rite not all cpu's are alike. But others have got the same results when using a slower cpu with a lower multiplyer. And hey, i can say it is crap because i had bought it, tested it and it didnt run as specified. It is my opinion with what I experienced.

And it is "crap" if it wont even do better then and pc3700 at even looser timings and not just on the fact that it wont go over 250FSB.

[shootcraps]

Originally posted by Dr.2K
Yes you rite not all cpu's are alike. But others have got the same results when using a slower cpu with a lower multiplyer. And hey, i can say it is crap because i had bought it, tested it and it didnt run as specified. It is my opinion with what I experienced.


It doesn't matter what results others have gotten because each mobo/cpu combo is unique.

Yes it is your opinion, but what you experienced is irrelevant because you don't know what you're talking about.

[Dr.2K]

It doesn't matter what results others have gotten because each mobo/cpu combo is unique.

LOL, if it doesnt matter what results others have gotten, then why do these forums exist? For that matter why do ppl do all these tests and post them for others to see? LOL, i dont think you know what you are talking about and i think the irrelavent award goes to your post.

[Tony]

Guys please remain carm...No flaming etc.

Just to try and help i think im onto something.

Later boards do NOT seem to clock anywhere near as good as early ones.This is concerning the P4P800 and the IC7.im seeing lots of peeps blaiming ram when it does seem the boards are to blame.

[Dr.2K]

Yes tony i am aware of that also. And hence have posted my thoughts on the abit forums. But, as you are probly aware there is only the confirmation from abit that there is an issue here with regards to boards and compatiblity with memory, but no fix as of yet :( Well maybe the Max3 lol, who knows.

[ThugsRook]

Dr.2k ~ try running bios v14.

bios v15 can be very flakey :wack:

[Dr.2K]

Tnx thugs, but have already tried with bios 1.3,1.4 and 1.5 I guess i'll have to wait for maybe a bios fix, try new mobo (Asus P4C800 Delux-E coming) or better and faster ram. But we shall see as time goes i guess.