ABIT Ai7

[ThugsRook]

ABIT Ai7 (i865PE Springdale)



Test System
P4 2.8C SL6Z5 M0
Kingston HyperX 3000 2x512mb
BFG FX5900 @ 475x910
Thermalright SP-94 | 92mm M1A | ASC
SBLive 5.1
WD SATA Raptor
Enermax 550w



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[ThugsRook]

GAT & NBS Testing
System Configuration
2800mhz | 200fsb 1:1 400ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2 | GAT ??-A-A-A-E



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-m86.gif Memtest86+
AU NBs800 = 2675 mb/s
TB NBs800 = 2963 mb/s
SR NBs800 = 2963 mb/s
F1 NBs800 = 2963 mb/s

AU NBs667 = 2811 mb/s
TB NBs667 = 2963 mb/s
SR NBs667 = 2963 mb/s
F1 NBs667 = 2963 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
AU NBs800 = 14015
TB NBs800 = 14424
SR NBs800 = 14427
F1 NBs800 = 14373

AU NBs667 = 14418
TB NBs667 = 14424
SR NBs667 = 14314
F1 NBs667 = 14536



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
AU NBs800 = 4279-1741 mb/s
TB NBs800 = 5137-2404 mb/s
SR NBs800 = 5138-2402 mb/s
F1 NBs800 = 5398-2407 mb/s

AU NBs667 = 5136-1912 mb/s
TB NBs667 = 5138-2404 mb/s
SR NBs667 = 5147-2404 mb/s
F1 NBs667 = 5411-2411 mb/s



more to come >>>

[Jim]

more to come >>>

Look forward to it. :rock:

[ThugsRook]

PAT
PAT is disabled on the Ai7 when using the following bios combinations: (bios v17)
* NBs800 1:1 GAT=Auto
* NBs800 5:4

To get PAT in NBs800 1:1 mode you need to enable a GAT setting.
You cannot enable PAT in NBs800 5:4 mode even with a GAT setting enabled.
PAT works in all NBs667 modes and ratios.

(so far ive got upto 3640mhz 260fsb nbs667 5:4 416ddr c2822 GAT=turbo working just fine)

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[ThugsRook]

GAT & NBS Testing
System Configuration
3500mhz | 250fsb 5:4 400ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2
GAT ??-A-A-E-E (NBs800) | GAT ??-A-A-D-D (NBs667)



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-m86.gif Memtest86+
AU NBs800 = 2740 mb/s
TB NBs800 = 2915 mb/s

AU NBs667 = 2740 mb/s
TB NBs667 = 2856 mb/s
SR NBs667 = 2856 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
AU NBs800 = 15522
TB NBs800 = 15607

AU NBs667 = 15666
TB NBs667 = 15717
SR NBs667 = 15629



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
AU NBs800 = 5061-1956 mb/s
TB NBs800 = 5278-2407 mb/s

AU NBs667 = 5573-1913 mb/s
TB NBs667 = 5561-2401 mb/s
SR NBs667 = 5587-2397 mb/s


note: PAT does not enable when using NBs800 5:4.

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[eva2000]

interesting with GAT of T, SR, at 667FSB strap as most of my 2x 512MB BH-5 error out in prime or memtest86 after extensive testing

[malinois1]

Nice results Thugs ;) Thanks for sharing with us. Now you just need to compare against IC7 for us :D

[ThugsRook]

Nice results Thugs ;) Thanks for sharing with us. Now you just need to compare against IC7 for us :D
ask and ye shall recieve ;)

the Ic7 comparison is forthcoming :yup:

[ThugsRook]

interesting with GAT of T, SR, at 667FSB strap as most of my 2x 512MB BH-5 error out in prime or memtest86 after extensive testing
i was surprised of that too.
the Ai7 is able to do quite a few things that the Ic7 cant. nbs667 1:1 with GAT and 5:4 with GAT just to name 2.

now if the Ic7 could do that....... ;)

[ThugsRook]

Ai7 / Ic7 Comparison
System Configuration ~best settings
2800mhz | 200fsb 1:1 400ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2

Ai7 = NBs667 | GAT F1-A-A-A-E
Ic7 = NBs800 | GAT SR-A-A-A-E



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-m86.gif Memtest86+
Ai7 = 2963 mb/s
Ic7 = 2963 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
Ai7 = 14536
Ic7 = 14534



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
Ai7 = 5411-2411 mb/s
Ic7 = 5372-2393 mb/s



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[ThugsRook]

Ai7 / Ic7 Comparison
System Configuration ~best settings
3500mhz | 250fsb 5:4 400ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2

Ai7 = NBs667 | GAT TB-A-A-D-D
Ic7 = NBs800 | GAT AU-A-A-E-E



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-m86.gif Memtest86+
Ai7 = 2856 mb/s
Ic7 = 2740 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
Ai7 = 15717
Ic7 = 15763



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
Ai7 = 5561-2401 mb/s
Ic7 = 5612-1979 mb/s


yea yea yea, i know ~ this set of results dont quite make sense. just another case of membenching results gone wrong :rolleyes:

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[ThugsRook]

Ai7 / Ic7 Comparison
System Configuration ~best settings
3640mhz | 260fsb 5:4 416ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2

Ai7 = NBs667 | GAT TB-A-A-D-D
Ic7 = NBs800 | GAT AU-A-A-E-E



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-m86.gif Memtest86+
Ai7 = 2965 mb/s
Ic7 = 2844 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
Ai7 = 15958
Ic7 = 16015



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
Ai7 = 5808-2495 mb/s
Ic7 = 5823-2056 mb/s


again, memory benchmarks do not represent real world performance.
(thats assuming you concider 3dm real ;) but at least its in 1280res.)

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[eva2000]

well 3dmark2001's car low/high is very random so scores aren't really indicative unless you run them with 10 loops for each 4 tests to average them heh

[ThugsRook]

3dm2k1 is much tighter in 1280 res :shhh:

[ThugsRook]

this is with pc2700 and a springdale!
http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/Ai7/9014.gif
230fsb 460ddr nbs800 gat T-A-A-E-D c2822

:cool:

[ThugsRook]

im definately impressed with this board :yup:
(and this ram :coocoo: )
http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/Ai7/9217.gif
235fsb 470ddr nbs800 gat T-A-A-E-D c2822

:cool:

[ThugsRook]

as far as she'll go.....
http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/Ai7/9266.gif
237fsb 474ddr nbs800 gat T-A-A-E-D c2822

:cool:

[eva2000]

told ya AI7 with right ram is a canterwood killer :)

[ThugsRook]

my gAd man, its a Prescott Killer! ;)

im sure it could do a little better if i losen the timings a bit. i didnt have to "downtweak" anything all the way upto 474ddr.

im amazed :rock:

[RotorHead]

:yikes: :yikes: :bow: :bow: :rock: :rock:

Need I say more !!!

[malinois1]

Thanks thug for all the work, Glad to see I didn't waist my $$$ on a IC7 :D I have some new stuff on order should be here next week.

Here is what I have already.
Antec AMG1000 Case
Themaltake Butterfly 480 PSU
Sony 16xDVD ROM
Abit AI7 Motherboard
ATI 9800Pro Video Card
21" Sony Trinitron Monitor
5-Antec-80mm Led fans

And on order to arrive next week:
3.0g C Intel processor
OCZ 3500EB 2x512 Ram
Floppy Drive
Zalman CNPS7000A-CU Heatsink
Hitachi Sata 80G HD
KLIPSCH PROMEDIA 2.1 THX
Revolution 7.1 soundcard
NEC 2500A DVD writer
Artic Silver Ceramique Thermal paste

I sure hope this CPU OC's well because all my other equipment should not limit me :) I don't think I will be able to sleep until it gets here LOL

[ThugsRook]

sounds like a great build ya got going there.

just remember when you start tweaking it ~ stay away from nbs800 1:1 GAT Auto. either enable a GAT setting or drop to nbs667 so it will enable PAT.

gluck with it :)

[ThugsRook]

More GAT & NBS Testing...
System Configuration
3262mhz | 233fsb 1:1 466ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2 | GAT ??-A-A-E-D



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-m86.gif Memtest86+
AU NBs800 = 3037 mb/s
TB NBs800 = 3359 mb/s
SR NBs800 = 3359 mb/s

AU NBs667 = 3271 mb/s
TB NBs667 = 3359 mb/s
SR NBs667 = 3359 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
AU NBs800 = 15149
TB NBs800 = 15499
SR NBs800 = 15520

AU NBs667 = 15489
TB NBs667 = 15535
SR NBs667 = 15516



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
AU NBs800 = 5221-2039 mb/s
TB NBs800 = 6274-2794 mb/s
SR NBs800 = 6257-2789 mb/s

AU NBs667 = 6269-2227 mb/s
TB NBs667 = 6272-2796 mb/s
SR NBs667 = 6281-2793 mb/s



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-pcm2k2.gif PCMark2002 ~memory
AU NBs800 = 10107
TB NBs800 = 11839
SR NBs800 = 11845

AU NBs667 = 11257
TB NBs667 = 11823
SR NBs667 = 11886


notes:
F1 wouldnt run cause it forces CPC=Enabled (x-x-x-x-e).
my sys cant run CPC=Enabled @ this speed.
hence no F1 results ;)

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[malinois1]

sounds like a great build ya got going there.

just remember when you start tweaking it ~ stay away from nbs800 1:1 GAT Auto. either enable a GAT setting or drop to nbs667 so it will enable PAT.

gluck with it :)

Yep I will keep that in mind!!! My old P4 2.4A 400MHZ FSB(which BTW is suppossedly not supported with AI7) I couldn't turn off PAT no matter how hard I tried. I thinnk I used nsb533 with that chip since I wante 4:5 ratio with PC2100 value RAM @3-2-3-6 :rolleyes: lol I actually got it up to 3.1G OC'ed with that junk LOL with memtest composite of 5100. I will do so benchmarking and let you guys now how it turns out. I hope its worth the extra $$$ :D

[ThugsRook]

:yikes: :yikes: :bow: :bow: :rock: :rock: Need I say more !!!


just a little more :D
http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/Ai7/9281.gif
237fsb 474ddr nbs667 gat T-A-A-E-D c2822

:cool:

[eva2000]

Thugs has fallen in love with AI7 :D :cool:

[ThugsRook]

i sure have eva :yup:

once i found the x-x-x-e-d combo, its been all bliss.
i still cant believe my lil KHX3000 can do 474ddr fully tweaked :thumbs:
now i need a 3.0c to run @ 1:1 233+fsb :bonk:

:)

[ThugsRook]

was able to squeeze 1 more fsb out of it....
http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/Ai7/9324.gif
238fsb 476ddr nbs667 gat T-A-A-E-D c2822

:cool:

[eva2000]

fly baby.. fly :)

[RotorHead]

Good stuff Thugs!! :thumb:

Excellent Post!!

[ThugsRook]

thx guys :wave:

this board is a monster!
for 1:1 overclocking nothing even comes close as you can see from my memStat results that are way up there in Prescottland and im only running 238fsb 3.33ghz.
...and because of this boards ability to manipulate the NB Strap and GAT settings, im willing to bet that even high latency/high fsb OCing will kick butt too.

for 5:4 Ocing, this board is almost on par with the ABIT Ic7 boards.

overclocking wise, it OCs exactly the same as my Ic7.

3.2v vdimm, works perfectly and actually comes in @ 3.24v. it works and does not induce diminishing returns from using it, even if you only actually need 2.8v ;)

this board also happens to LOVE my antique pc2700 6ns chipped memory to no end!
476ddr fully tweaked :yikes:

uGuru is not compatible with Win9x OSes :(
that means no uGuru, and no sensors at all while in windows :(
the board itself works fine tho with those OSes.

if only they made this board with a Canterwood chipset :deviltail

now, who's gonna buy it from me?

:beer:

[Jim]

uGuru is not compatible with Win9x OSes :(
that means no uGuru, and no sensors at all while in windows :(
the board itself works fine tho with those OSes.


Wonder what the older Winbond Hardware Monitor would do? :scratch:
Link (http://www.abit-usa.com/products/mb/drivers.php?categories=1&model=5)

[ThugsRook]

na Jim, nothing works.
cpuz, everest, 3dmark, pcmark, memstat, aida32, mbm, abiteq, whm, nothing gains sensor access in win9x.
there is no winbond chipset on the board (?)

lame of abit not to make a 9x version of the uGuru software :rolleyes:
i think im the only person that would care tho ;)

:)

[dbwillis]

Nice results Thugs...glad to see you still have the itch!

[ThugsRook]

thx Dave :)

you can thank eva & PJ for starting that itch ;)
their threads/comments/results are what got me interested in this board.

the results on the Ai7 are absolutely amazing.
i hope ive influenced some ABIT owners todo more tweaking on their systems. its alot of work but the results very worth it.

...i cant wait for the next memStat compitition :thumbs:

[ThugsRook]

RD & CPC Testing
(read delay & command per clock)
System Configuration
3500mhz | 250fsb 5:4 400ddr | CAS 2-8-2-2

RD options: enabled, disabled
CPC options: enabled, disabled



http://www.bleedinedge.com/images/thugs/ico-3dm2k1.gif 3DMark2001 ~1280x1024
GAT x-x-x-D-D = 15507
GAT x-x-x-E-D = 15550
GAT x-x-x-D-E = 15570
GAT x-x-x-E-E = 15648



http://users.adelphia.net/~d2rook/icons/ico-eve.gif Everest ~read-write
GAT x-x-x-D-D = 5424-1972 mb/s
GAT x-x-x-E-D = 5601-1979 mb/s
GAT x-x-x-D-E = 5423-1975 mb/s
GAT x-x-x-E-E = 5600-1981 mb/s


notes: its very clear... Enabled= good / Disabled= bad

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[dbwillis]

too bad the 1st AI7 I got back when they came out was crap, RMA'd it and got my $$$ back.
Wouldnt even run default 200fsb :o(

[ThugsRook]

from what ive read from eva and PJ, it wasnt really worth looking at this board til bios v17 came out with its PAT fixes. before v17 PAT wasnt completely enabled or not enabled at all.

[eva2000]

Nah AI7 prior to 17 bios was fine with 16beta1 and 16beta3 just 17 bios enabled PAT at 800FSB strap T,SR as well instead of just at F1

[ThugsRook]

Nah AI7 prior to 17 bios was fine with 16beta1 and 16beta3 just 17 bios enabled PAT at 800FSB strap T,SR as well instead of just at F1
exactly ~ i woulda trashed this board w/o PAT @ T & SR. F1 doesnt even work for me beyond stock, so i dont care about that one ;)

[eva2000]

my memstat high score on AI7 was with 2x 512MB KHX3200/512 BH-5 at NB Strap 800fsb with F1-E-4-E-D at 235-238mhz 2-2-2-6 hehe

[ThugsRook]

eh, you just got lucky the Ai7 doesnt force CPC=E (F1) with your ram like mines does :(
what was your high score anyways? the database isnt entirely online.

[eva2000]

can't remember my high score it was like 9100 something but that was with 16beta3 bios

[ThugsRook]

youve got some catching up todo eva ;)

(9324) :)