OMG... help a brother out!

[shimmishim]

Please forgive me amd guys...

So i've decided to go with the p4 system...

and i'll sell off my amd stuff...

i was wondering where i could get the cheapest retail 2.6C or 2.8C processor

I'm going to go with the abit is7 (non-g) and prolly the ocz pc3700 gold...

stock cooling for now.. i'll sell off my mcw5000a and get a mcw5000p or a different water block...

i think that's all i'll need woo hoo!!! :)

crossing over to the dark side is fun...

[Hawk]

Cheapest? ? ? Go for these 2 companies for relaliablity.


www.newegg.com


www.googlegear.com


or you can search www.pricewatch.com for the lowest, but make sure it's a reputable company. . . .

[Thor]

Hmm have done your usual www.pricewatch.com searches?

-edit- Oh, and welcome to the DARK side. Muahahaha!

[RotorHead]

Don't sale your block, just get one of these :)

http://www.swiftnets.com/store/product_details.asp?ProdID=150

RH

[LastRide]

I would get a tray processor from www.outpost.com .PJ recently got a 2.8C that does 260 on default voltage 3.6GHz.They might have some good chips in stock.You will need your own heatsink and fan of course.I would not recommend the IS7.It doesn't overclock as good and I know you like to OC.I would recommend the P4P800 over the IS7 for springdale.I would preferrably get a Canterwood Abit IC7 even though its more money.Other good boards are the DFI 870 Pro but a new version is coming out soon so is the IC7 Max 3 in 2-3 weeks with probably higher vdimm and other stuff.If you can hold off you might want to wait for the Max 3,if not I would go with the IC7.The DFI is a more money.The OCZ Gold is a good choice.If you can get a 2.8C that does 250 FSB thats 500 DDR and can run 1:1 with the Gold.With a 2.6C you will be in a little tougher situation runnng 1:1.At 270 FSB X 13=3380GHz 520 DDR.If you get a couple good sticks of Gold it might be attainable with relaxed timings.If not 5:4 is no slouch and run 450-460 DDR.I am running 5:4 now with my 2.4C 280 FSB 3.36GHz at 446 DDR 2/3/3/6.I can go higher but my board won't allow it.With some real good northbridge cooling I might be able to squeeze a little more.These chipsets seem not to like much more than 280-285 FSB.My system is still pretty fast.You can get cheaper ram if you have to run 5:4 aslong as it can do 450-460DDR.Everyone has a different opinion on whats better so you need to do some reading on the ups and downs of each CPU.It will all come down to how good of CPU you get first.I would hold off on the ram and run 3:2 or 5:4 if possible with what ram you have first and then see what ram will benefit you the most.If you get a crappy cpu than the gold might be a waste of money and you could get some ram with tighter timings at less DDR speed.

[Chuck232]

Hmmm... I'd sell that waterblock, depending on how much you could get for it. Watercooling for the new P4s is basically a waste of time and effort. It doesn't get you much better than good aircooling and won't really help temps all too much overall.

For P4s and overclocking, get either good aircooling, or go straight for the vapo or prommie IMO.

[shimmishim]

Originally posted by RotorHead
Don't sale your block, just get one of these :)

http://www.swiftnets.com/store/product_details.asp?ProdID=150

RH

WOW, didn't realize these things existed..

I'll have to give it a try :)


hmmm.... outpost.com huh?

thanks! i'll try that...

hmm...

argh...

2.8C? hmm....

most... resist... spending... money... ahh....

:)

[Chuck232]

Don't fight it.. You'll lose. When I first saw the P4Cs, I said.. Ok, I'll skip this and get a Prescott... But noo... My will power's not strong enough.. So I'll be getting a P4C system soon.:p

[shimmishim]

Lastride,

so no is7? i thought it was a great oc-ing board?

i wanted to keep everything under $500

board: ~$120ish
processor: ~200ish
ram: ~$200 <---- gosh, this is sick

ic7-g is a great board i know but i don't have that sort of money to spend on the board


every review i've seen has shown that the is7 is a great board...

any other opinions?
thugs?
pj?

[Chuck232]

Take a look at these. They use Winbond BH-5 chips, which are great for overclocking.

Buffalo PC3700 w/ Winbond BH-5 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=Buffalo+PC3700+256MB)

Only $53! Get these quick though, the newer revisions of this RAM is coming with the CH-5 chips which have compatibility probs with the IC7 series.

BTW, save $100 and splug it on CPU/Mobo.:D

[LastRide]

Get the regular IC7 (non G).Check out this thread to help you decide.The IS7 is the fastest at defaut speed,but thats where it ends.You can still try one and if you don't like it ditch it. http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47397&highlight=is7


By Prometheus;Don't go out and place orders YET. While my Default scores above are incredible with Turbo on my generic Corsair 3500LL (Winbond BH6), I have yet to find serious overclocking settings where the Turbo or Ultra can be enabled for similar effect. This looks like a 'gee-whiz' arrangement for 800FSB and DDR400, and in early testing is NOT the practical solution that MAM is on the P4P800.

The IS7 is quite fast even without Turbo or Ultra - overclocks well and has many great features - but it is not yet the killer it first appeared to be. It has tremendous potential.

I am continuing to test, and I'm expecting some OCZ 3700 GOLD (bigtoe got this to DDR540) and some Geil Golden Dragon 3500 modules in the next few days. This will give me a broader cross-section of high perfirmance memory for the tests.

[LastRide]

You can also read the IS7 review by Prometheus on the home page of BleedinEdge.It still might be worth trying an IS7 out.

[shimmishim]

so the ic7 non g is what you're saying...

.sigh.

so many choices!!!

and the 2.6C right?

argh... why is intel stuff so expensive??? :)

[Thor]

Originally posted by shimmishim
argh... why is intel stuff so expensive??? :)

Because they're better/faster than the *ahem* other brand.

There, I said it. :)

Seriously, you won't be disappointed with the Abit IC7 board. Just got my 2.4C to 275fsb where it couldn't go higher than 266fsb on my Asus P4P800.

[LastRide]

If you wanna play you gotta pay..LOL:na: .I really don't know what to tell you.A lot of people like the IS7.Its really up to you if you want to try one out.I was hoping more people would give more input.The IS7 is suppose to have 2.9 & 3.0 vdimm but its hidden and they haven't found out how to access yet.Its somewhat good news.The IC7 has up to 2.8 same as IS7 for now unless you want to do the mod for the IC7.PJ bought an IS7 and sold it the next day..LOL and went back to the IC7.You can even try a 2.4C if you like and not have to go with a 2.6 or 2.8.My 2.4C will do 3.5Ghz for sure but the chipset can't handle that amount unless you cool the NB.If you use watercooling maybe you can go higher which some guys are 300 FSB,280 is max on my board with air cooling.You can still run 5:4 470-480 DDR if you get a good overclocker and can reach 290 FSB or more.I get some real nice score on my 2.4C even though I run 5:4 cause it overclocks well so its worth it.Once the chipsets can handle higher FSB (maybe newer revisions or watercooling or other) and faster ram comes out like it is OCZ 4200 and other manufacturers the 2.4C will be a very good choice.Its really hard to tell you what to do since opinions are different.I really want to help you out but there a lot of options.Thugsrook would tell you to get a 2.4B or 2.53B and an IC7 since he believes the C chips aren't worth it and couple with an IC7 its the best.You can find a good OC'r since guys want the 800 FSB CPU's now.Oldfart would say get a 2.6C since he believes its the best and running 5:4 isn't a negative.He would say 2.6C and some cheaper ram.I say 2.8C is probably the best aswell as others would say.You can run 1:1 with the OCZ Gold.The 2.6C it will be tough after 260 FSB 3.36GHz.You just need to hope your OCZ can do 520DDr which it has a shot of doing.I hit windows at 540FSB,but not stable.The 3.0C is a good choice but too expensive.

[shimmishim]

thanks!!!

okay, you've convinced me... i'm going to get a 2.4 or 6C with the IC7

now... can you post benchies with your 3.5 ghz ?

i wanna see how it compares to my 1700+ @ 2.5 ghz or my barton 2500+ @ 2.4 ghz

[LastRide]

I'll post a couple benches in about half an hour.I can't run 3.5GHz cause my board won't do 292FSB,280-283 FSB is all I will get out if it do to chipset limitation or NB heat.I had it totally unstable at 292 on a P4P800.For starters here is 3DMark2001SE 20,727 with at 280 FSB 2/3/3/6 448 DDR. 2.4C @ 3.36GHz.Using a Radeon 9800 pro overclocked to 409.50/369.

[ThugsRook]

for the record ~

my opinion is always in my sig :rock:

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by shimmishim
thanks!!!

okay, you've convinced me... i'm going to get a 2.4 or 6C with the IC7

now... can you post benchies with your 3.5 ghz ?

i wanna see how it compares to my 1700+ @ 2.5 ghz or my barton 2500+ @ 2.4 ghz You won't be disappointed me thinks :) I'm still using a P4PE/L and 2.4B@3ghz 167fsb 418DDR and it's been a rock solid system for many months now. Before that I had a 1.6A@2.24-2.4ghz and P4S333 and I liked it too. I will upgrade my Intel box again down the road a little but for now I just bought a ultra400 Shuttle SN45G cube and eVGA personal Cinema to upgrade my previous HTPC setup since I already had an extra AMD 2400+ laying around and I'll need to sell off one of my other boxes to finance the Intel upgrade later or the wifey will pitch a fit :rolleyes:

[LastRide]

2.4C @ 3.36GHz 280 FSB Abit IC7 OCZ Gold PC3700 Dual Channel 2 x 256 5:4 Ratio 448 DDR 2/3/3/6 and Radeon 9800 Pro overclocked to 409.50/369.

Sandra

Buffered 6108/6109
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Aida32

Read 5805
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UT2003

Flyby 267.7
Botmatch 96.8

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CFG FILES RUN: Normal High Maximum
RESOLUTIONS RUN: 1024x768
NUMBER OF RUNS: 3 times.


NORMAL Configuration File Settings:
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HIGH Configuration File Settings:
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MAX Configuration File Settings:
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[compudog]

There is no "dark side" shimmishim. Intel is a great proc. I love my AMD, but I have loved every Intel rig I have built. Have as much fun with your new Intel as you've had with your 1700+ and Barton and your still a winner!

[shimmishim]

question:

you guys keep talking about this 5:4 divider...

so you mean if the fsb is set to 270 then the ram is running at 216... is this correct?

[Chuck232]

Yes.:)

[shimmishim]

wow, i like this 5:4 divider

:) (not that my nf7-s doesn't have one)

so i guess i'll be waiting a few more week for the ic7 max 3 to come out :)

i'll go with the 2.4C or 2.6C (can't decide)

and considering that a fsb of 270 is ram at 216 mhz, i don't think i can get an extreme o/c like a fsb of 300 so i'll stick with some pc3500 ram...

the ocz pc3500EL looks promising...

yay!