A64 3400+ = equivalent speed in P4?

[Jojo1971]

someone wants to trade his A64 3400+ with my P4 3.4c..

whats the rough equivalent counterpart of an A64+ @ default speed in P4?

???

thx

[eva2000]

general rule would be A64 is +1350mhz on base speeds to equal P4

so A64 3400+ @ stock speeds is probably equivalent 2200mhz + 1350mhz = P4 3550mhz in terms of most benchmarks (excluding memory bandwidth which is lower on A64 and 3dmark2001 which is higher on A64) etc

so if you can oc your A64 3400+ @ 11x 235 = 2585mhz + 1350mhz = P4 3935mhz

But reason why i got a P4 3.4C was i can easily hit 3.7-3.8ghz while A64 3400+ with current board and vdimm limitations you're looking at 11x 220 = 2420mhz.

so 2420mhz + 1350mhz = P4 3770mhz

Since i do alot more video encoding etc than gaming.. P4 3.4C for me

[Jim]

Hopefully too, the new chipsets about to come out will be more O'clocker friendly for the A64. :)

[eva2000]

i wonder which cpu would hold it's value better in the next 3-6 months, A64 3400+ or P4 3.4C ??

[RedEXE]

Pentium sucks. Big time. People go out and buy them talking about multi tasking. And they end up installing some program while playing a mp3 and using yahoo messenger to talk to people and call it multi tasking. This is not multi tasking. This is called Goofing off. You don't buy pentium to goof off. That's what the celeron was for. Try rendering a full quality animation of 3000 frames in maya 6 while working in 3ds 6 and watching tv on the secondary screen (recording aqua teen hunger force) And barely seeing a change.
That's multi tasking. And that's what the msi master far 2 with dual opteron 250's installed allow. (Over clocked to 3.0 ghz by core cell hard/software.) I have the Fx-53 as well. Decent, But actually sucks at REAL multi tasking but great at goofing off.

[RedEXE]

:)

[NeoShowtime]

Maybe people like their pentium4 chips, and maybe you should let it remain that way.

Thanks for the little comparison there eva

[Ju57in]

well redexe, no one here is doubting the fact that dual opteron 250's are excellent multitaskers. but at $900 each.. not everyone can afford them. a DECENT opteron box will cost you atleast $4000 USD.

and poor eva2000 who apparently lives in australia will pay 150% of that.

but the thing is, unless you run applications that utilize 2 procs, (read: NOT GAMES) that second proc will go to waste. and correct me if im wrong, but if i may speak for the majority of bleedinedge members, we are gamers at heart. if you do lots of rendering and autocad, more power to you. and especially if you have the money to blow.

and secondly, many of us will argue whether a dual opty 250 setup warrants all that money...

but dont get me wrong, its a nice setup.

also, i realize many of us have our own preferences about which ram manufacturer is best, (i personally use corsair) but i have nothing against ocz, kingston, ect. but please dont waste the space trashing other companies unwarranted.

as far as peniums go.. think of it this way. it consits of a regular CPU and a virtual CPU, so technically its 2 procs. and a LOT MORE programs will utilize hyperthreading instead of a second processor altogether.

oh but look at me, im sitting here talking about foolish things like VALUE, and COST in the bleedinedge forums, i must be crazy! :coocoo:

[Mikki]

RedEXE, as far as your Intel sux post, people don't buy Pentiums just for multi-tasking, and if that's your basis for why they suk then your argument is fairly poor. We all know about AMD's and Intel's strengths and weaknesses. I don't have a problem with the subject of your post, more the manner in which it was said. If you wish to induce a flame war between AMD and Intel fanboys then I suggest you take it to another forum, we don't get into that here.

As far as you comment on OCZ, everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, but seeing as how your post wasn't related to the topic of the thread, and was posted with no reasoning (or seemingly thought) whatsoever, I edited it. If you have a problem with OCZ products then I suggest you use the product support forums.

[RedEXE]

Intel is very over rated. bottom line. And ocz is crappy. I might have named the computers that i have but by no means do i expect anyone to buy them or build them.... My opt was only 3000$ to get it up and running and the tweaks came latter. 5000$ is off the shelf. My point is amd is cheaper and better. Period. I have never see a pentium do what an amd does for the same price. Yet people who never owned a serious system will line up to to you whats what.

P.s. Did i mention that ocz sucks? If not then OCZ SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Be serious about a thing or two in life guys, go get some corsair twinX and meet me on HALO!!!!

[RedEXE]

Maybe people like their pentium4 chips, and maybe you should let it remain that way.
NeoShowtime: Pull out your but plug and relax. If i can't voice my thoughts on a product in general then I would rather not even post on this site.

[Gaspar]

So RedAxe what is your point here anyway?? You know what really sux is people like you that voice there sucky ass opinions. There now put that in your pipe and smoke it :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

[RedEXE]

Gaspar. Belive it or not this is a nice form of amusment. And i will remain here until the amusment cease or I get banned (Not long im sure). Whats more amusing is that peice of junk computer you have there. Its no wonder you think my opinion sucks.

[RotorHead]

Your wish is my command!!

Have a nice day!! :)

[RotorHead]

Sorry for the interruption guys, this situation has been resolved. :stop:

Nothing to see here!…… move along, move along :rolleyes:

[NeoShowtime]

<3 BE. Great admins make a great site!

[JNav89GT]

wow!

I like AMD too but keep an open mind with Intel cpus. Used to be close minded but I see advantages in each now. I had a nice 2.4C@3.5ghz combo that was solid for 6mos or so. Was a 2nd or 3rd pc and did what I wanted it to do. Now I've outgrown it so it's getting bumped for another Socket 939 setup. But was a good system for me so I don't hate Intel. I agree that AMD is performance king now, price advantage? ermmm not with high end AMD. But lower end A64 will still mop floor with any stock P4 out now and oc'd they can probably still win despite P4 oc'ing like a beast a mild oc on A64 can make up for that. Newer boards are better and improving all the time.

As far as OCZ sucking. I don't think anything could be further from the truth. They have service equal or better to corsair, and they are pushing innovation and technology. I don't think we would have ever seen a ram produced like the EB series if it were not for OCZ, but I bet in the coming months Corsair copies them. Everyone knows there was a point in time where OCZ meant cheap probably oc'd too far ram that may or maynot work. However, the past couple of years I have been tracking their efforts(ryan, tony etc...) and they have shown me they are putting customer service to the forefront of thier mission. What more can I ask for in an enthusiests company :)

[pointreyes]

well redexe, no one here is doubting the fact that dual opteron 250's are excellent multitaskers. but at $900 each.. not everyone can afford them. a DECENT opteron box will cost you atleast $4000 USD.


:cry: I don't have decent opteron box. :cry: Even though I can run a job in 4 minutes that takes a $100,000 SPARC 20 minutes to run, I don't have a decent box because it cost less than $4,000 USD. :cry:

I really think it depends on what you are using the box for that makes the difference, not the price. I am saving up for the dual-core Opteron though. I purchased an expensive board and so in the process had to go with less expensive procs. Didn't skimp on the RAM or drives though. :)

Anyway, eva2000's posts were the main posts that dealt with the thread topic at hand. I just could not let that $4,000 USD being a marker of being a decent Opteron system side by. :p :)

[Sharkims]

It is fairly simple, on a 1vs1 processor ratio. An Intel can still crunch numbers faster and an AMD can produce more frames per second.
Wham, bam, done.

[manhota]

Hay to much hatred,

Ive owned amd pros for the past 2 years, before that i had pentium 3 at 800mhz, ive used both type of processer as i make machines for a local store, which doesent always deal in the high crap like corsair twin x and OCZ ram cuz normal people dont need it or simply cant afford it. gettin back to da story.

P4 dont have slow downs which XP proccessers have and 64bit amc pros have, ive seen it, loading up and using a couple of programs at the same tiime p4`s are breathless amds tend to slow down but i have not tried a fx51 or fx53 yet, but funny still as the man above siad amd kills a p4 equivelent at games FPS.

AMD rock at games
Intel rocks at number crunching video codec coding multitasking and are really stable little ****s to.

We havent had a return on a P4 pros yet this years compared to AMD.

but hay i own a AMD pros so im not bios. lol

[manhota]

reasens why i own amd cuz there cheap compared to P4`s and there betta at games cuz i play to much HALO and Far Cry.

[REDX]

well redexe, no one here is doubting the fact that dual opteron 250's are excellent multitaskers. but at $900 each.. not everyone can afford them. a DECENT opteron box will cost you atleast $4000 USD.

and poor eva2000 who apparently lives in australia will pay 150% of that.

but the thing is, unless you run applications that utilize 2 procs, (read: NOT GAMES) that second proc will go to waste. and correct me if im wrong, but if i may speak for the majority of bleedinedge members, we are gamers at heart. if you do lots of rendering and autocad, more power to you. and especially if you have the money to blow.

and secondly, many of us will argue whether a dual opty 250 setup warrants all that money...

but dont get me wrong, its a nice setup.

also, i realize many of us have our own preferences about which ram manufacturer is best, (i personally use corsair) but i have nothing against ocz, kingston, ect. but please dont waste the space trashing other companies unwarranted.

as far as peniums go.. think of it this way. it consits of a regular CPU and a virtual CPU, so technically its 2 procs. and a LOT MORE programs will utilize hyperthreading instead of a second processor altogether.

oh but look at me, im sitting here talking about foolish things like VALUE, and COST in the bleedinedge forums, i must be crazy! :coocoo:
:scratch: is right

[Snafu]

He's back starting the old fun again

[Peanya]

I liked my P4. It ran good, I can't complain or knock it at all. My AMD64 3200 did outperform my P4C (was running at 3.4GHz) so I like it even more. ;)

[WickedCommotion]

Why does everything here pertain to OCZ?.. Does OCZ own this site?.. I really don't understand why a forum would have so many areas about a company and none of others. What's going on?.. And OCZ maybe okay now but when they first started.. The reviews were never to nice to OCZ but things have improved like always.. Till something out takes its place..... Wait what is OCZ again?....lmao

[Jeff7181]

Why does everything here pertain to OCZ?.. Does OCZ own this site?.. I really don't understand why a forum would have so many areas about a company and none of others. What's going on?.. And OCZ maybe okay now but when they first started.. The reviews were never to nice to OCZ but things have improved like always.. Till something out takes its place..... Wait what is OCZ again?....lmao

OCZ's support forums are hosted here...

[WickedCommotion]

Still remember when it came out.. How it was not so good. Must have improved greatly.. Seeing how everyone is using it here.. So this is a bias forum towards OCZ? Personally I would NEVER buy OCZ.. if I'm in that area of price.. It will never be OCZ. Other options Avail. but if someone wants to give me OCZ or a rep give me product I would like to test it.. Then still probably would't buy it. That me though.. Just my opinion.

[Jeff7181]

Can I have some free RAM too, OCZ? :rolleyes: :coocoo: :D

[NeoShowtime]

Companies change, OCZ did for the better. They used to be a little shady (at least I though so), but now they have some of, if not the, best support in the industry. They actually seem to care about the customer, and to top it off put out some great products that no other company can match.

[BB_One]

Here, here Rotorhead well done,

Thank You.

[Prodigy]

RedEXE you suck, you have no idea what sucks, you should only state a product sux if you tested many of theur products, OCZ doesn't onlyp roduce RAM either you nimrod, they produce a DDR Booster, PSUs and more. And you can't really compare dual Opterons to a Penitum 4, Pentium 4's aren't really server processors, maybe try comparing Dual Xeon's... Noobs these days....

[Snafu]

Don't waste your breath on RedEXE. It's not worth the effort and I think he's gone ;) .

He was just posting to tic folks off and bad mouth OCZ and Intel.

[Gaspar]

Gaspar. Belive it or not this is a nice form of amusment. And i will remain here until the amusment cease or I get banned (Not long im sure). Whats more amusing is that peice of junk computer you have there. Its no wonder you think my opinion sucks.
Wow! is he for real?? Pleae tell me he's banned. Where does he come off like that. And yes I know my computers a piece of junk so Thank you :irk:

[Snafu]

Wow! is he for real?? Pleae tell me he's banned. Where does he come off like that. And yes I know my computers a piece of junk so Thank you :irk:
I believe so. He's just bad mouthing OCZ and Intel - stirring the pot for "amusement"

[Gaspar]

uhm is my Pc that big a POS?? I hoope not. $$$$$

[Prodigy]

Gas, your PC ownz mine. Intel Penitum 4 1.8Ghz, Geforce FX 5200 256mb. video card, 160 Maxtor HDD, 256MBs. of DDR PC2100 Ram. Some Intel 845P Motherboard or something around that.