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RotorHead
03-27-2004, 05:15 PM
Shuttle XPC SB65G2

Big fun with a little box!


This all started with the need to upgrade my son’s computer. He’s been getting into a lot of the newer PC games like, Wolfenstein, UT2004…etc, all of which would bring his old Pentium 866 to it’s knees faster then a naughty nun at confession time.

So I thought to myself, what kind of system would a 12-year-old boy like. Then it hit me….Shuttle XPC!! A Nintendo Gamecube on steroids, what else could a kid ask for! And for me, what better opportunity for some quality Father-Son bonding.

So, off we went, to my favorite on-line retailer, NewEgg and here’s what we got. :D

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What you're looking at above is:

1. Shuttle XPC SB65G2 Linky (http://www.us.shuttle.com/specs2.asp?pro_id=387)
2. Intel Pentium 4 2.4C Linky (http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/processors/pentium4/index.htm?iid=ipp_desk_proc+prod_p4p&)
3. Sapphire 9600XT Linky (http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/9600-xt.asp)
4. 2x256 OCZ PC3200 EL Linky (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+EL+DDR+PC-3200)
5. Lite-On Black Combo Drive Linky (http://www.liteonit.com/ODD/English/e_product/e_sohc5232k.asp)
6. Black Floppy Drive (do ya really want a link (http://www.mitsumi.com/products/floppyspec.html) )

Being the quick bunch that you are, you have noticed the lack of a hard drive in the picture. That’s because the WD600BB in his old system is being cannibalized for the upgrade.

Ok, lets break it down! Here’s a few shots of the Shuttle in it’s birthday suit.

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One of the great features I like on the SB65 is the built in USB 802.11b Wireless LAN Module. The Shuttle folks have done a really good job integrating this capability in to an already tight case. It is neatly tucked in on the right side above the power supply. Have a look.

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Let the Games Begin!

Ok, you’re probably wondering why I said that, right? Well, if you’ve never built one before, you’ll soon know why. These things are small, and you have to put them together like a jigsaw puzzle. Unlike a normal sized case, these little beauties have a pre-defined place for every thing, all the way down to how the cables are routed. Also, it came with one of the best user manuals I’ve see, easy to read, informative and nice color pictures too.

Here's a quick shot of the paperwork.

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On to the build!

The first thing that we needed to do was disassemble the case. This was effortlessly accomplished because of the thumb screws provided for the cover and the rear fan. With those out of the way, we then removed the drive cage, by taking out the two small screws on top, slid it back about a half inch and it lifted cleanly. Piece of cake!

Next up, is to remove the heatsink from it’s shipping position. Simply press down on the center tab and flip the latches up. Presto done.

Speaking of heat sinks, Shuttle has come up with an ingenious cooling solution using the standard P4 retention mechanism. Designed specifically for these cases, it uses smallish heat sink with four heat pipes running up to a vertical radiator assembly. This has allowed them to utilize the system fan in two ways. It drawls cool air in from the vents on the side of the case, and expels it through the radiator assembly and out of the case.

Here’s a quick shot of the heat sink, removed.

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Ok, next up is the processor and memory. We needed a decent CPU, so we went for the tried and true P4 2.4C. These chips have a good reputation for overclocking. But we’ll be running this one at stock for while. Sorry guys no overclocking today, but there is bonus surprise!

For the memory, we picked up some OCZ EL 3200. Supposed to be good stuff and designed with the enthusiast in mind.

Here’s some shots of the CPU lable and the memory.

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Have you figured out what the bonus surprise is? If not, I’ll unwrap it in the conclusion.

After popping in the CPU, heat sink, and memory, we started to mount the drives in the drive cage. This is a fairly strait forward operation, so I won’t go into a lot of detail. Just line up the drives, insert the mounting screws and tighten them down. Like I said earlier, we cannibalized the Western Digital WD600BB. It’s not a screamer, but it will work fine and have decent performance. We also picked up a new Lite-On Combo drive and a generic floppy.

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And here is a shot of my son putting the loaded up drive cage back in.

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Last but not least, it time for the video card, but before we put that in, it’s a good time to recheck all your wiring. I had my son get the motherboard manual and double check every connection. He said it was all “good to go” so on with the video card.

We needed something that would be able to run all the latest games, but wouldn’t break the bank, so we settled on the ATI Based 9600 XT from Sapphire. For a sub $200 card this thing rocks!

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With everything in place, it’s time to wrap it all up! Double checked all the connections one more time and fired it up. IT’S ALIVE!!….hehe, always wanted to say that. Anyway, we loaded up Windows 2000 without a hitch, then installed the all the drivers, again without a hitch. Got the display setup the way we wanted it, then configured the wireless LAN, and we were off to the Microsoft web site for some critical updates and service pack 4. About 2 and a half hours later everything was done.

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We were about to put the cover back on when my son pointed out that we had forgotten something. What we had forgotten was the blue Antec LED fan, so we changed that out real quick and here’s what it looked like.

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And here’s the Little Shuttle in it’s new home.

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In conclusion

Putting together this little Shuttle system was a blast. With the clear instructions in the user manual and a Philips screwdriver, it took all of about three hours to be completely finished and surfing the net. There where some minor problems with building it up, like cabling and connectors. Those were expected due to the small size of the case

Ok, so your wondering about the surprise, well apparently by luck of the draw, I ended up with a SL6Z3 or commonly referred to as M0 stepping P4 2.4C. Now I don’t know a lot about the different steppings with the P4, but from what I’ve been told, the M0’s over clock real well. This coupled with the EL Ram from OCZ should equal a decent over clock.

So stay tuned, I’m going to let this system break itself in for a while and then start turning up the wick to see what it will do.

I think the components selected will perform well for their intended purpose, and that my son will be happy and proud of his nice new gaming system. I’ll have to say that this was a fun and easy build, and I got to spend some time with my son doing something that we both enjoy.

Blaster
03-27-2004, 05:24 PM
Nice...

enjoyed reading this :D

Mikki
03-27-2004, 05:41 PM
Nice review Rotorhead! :D That thing looks so nice sitting there on the desk...I'm really getting into smaller is better...;) If you have luck oc'ing that thing I'm buying one...:D Just don't tell the wife I said that...;)

RotorHead
03-27-2004, 05:57 PM
I’ve seen a few other articles on OCing the Shuttles, all positive I might add. I don’t think it’s in the same league as Abit, Asus and DFI, but I should get at least 3.0 and 3.2 if I’m lucky. :mischeif:

Cooling might be my limiting factor though. :)

All this depends on getting the boy off of it long enough to do some testing. :lol: :lol:

eva2000
03-27-2004, 06:10 PM
awesome i love my SB61G2 as well

Rotorhead, can you adopt me as your 2nd son and build me one too :D :lol:

2.8C@ 233FSB
SB61G2

Idle
http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/shuttle/SB61G2/smartfan2/OCZ/PC3500Gold/2x512/233-233-2.5337-1.575v-2.65v-1.55v/prime95_3_room33C_7hr57min.jpg

load
http://www.fileshosts.com/pentium4/D1/shuttle/SB61G2/smartfan2/OCZ/PC3500Gold/2x512/233-233-2.5337-1.575v-2.65v-1.55v/prime95_2_roomtemp33C.jpg

RotorHead
03-27-2004, 06:32 PM
Nice OC there eva :thumb:

Looks like your temps were up there!! Did they hold you back or was it the board itself ?

eva2000
03-27-2004, 06:46 PM
expect shuttle temps to be 8-15C higher than what you're used to with desktop systems.. trust me!

2.8C in there has a max 245fsb at 1.6v on PX865PE PRO2, but wasn't gonna take it that high since the ram can't go that high with only 2.75v vdimm max... the ram is 2x 512MB OCZ PC3500 Gold at 233mhz 2.5-3-3-7 at 2.65v :)

Mikki
03-27-2004, 06:52 PM
Is there any room in there to drill a hole and add a fan? Like a blowhole maybe? :p

RotorHead
03-27-2004, 07:00 PM
Mik

Not a chance!!

But I have seen the stock grill cut out, and an external 92mm fan mounted with a 92 to 80 adapter. :thumbs:

eva

Thanks for the info. :thumb:

eva2000
03-27-2004, 07:04 PM
you can check out my SB61G2 pics and external fan mod at

http://www.fileshosts.com/Shuttle/SB61G2/large/
and
http://www.fileshosts.com/Shuttle/SB61G2/2/web/

Paragon
03-27-2004, 07:07 PM
Very nice job, Gene! :thumb: I thoroughly enjoyed this review as I'm thinking seriously about building one of these for my wife when her rig dies :thumbs:

Flamer
03-27-2004, 07:16 PM
That rig looks sweet rotorhead, I cant wait to see how it overclocks for you.

Jim
03-27-2004, 07:32 PM
Great review RotorHead , I love the Gamecube on 'roids comment. :p

sodface
03-27-2004, 07:42 PM
Awesome. :thumbs:

RotorHead
03-27-2004, 07:54 PM
samcolt, PF Thanks! :)

Paragon, I have to admit, this is not my first. Here’s a pic of the wife’s setup. It’s a SB51G that I built for her about a year ago. She absolutely loves it. :thumbs:

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Jojo1971
03-30-2004, 08:18 AM
some mod ideas here (http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.cfm?catid=46&threadid=51058&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=)

and here (http://forums.sudhian.com/messageview.cfm?catid=46&threadid=53695&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=)

OC that MO chip you got there..:) :thumb:

SupermanCK
03-30-2004, 12:49 PM
hmmm...i wonder what the kitchen knife was doing there on the table

Jojo1971
03-30-2004, 01:28 PM
here you go ..droop mod for your xpc..
http://image.pbase.com/u42/josephgaton/upload/27456939.xpc_droop.JPG

RotorHead
03-30-2004, 07:50 PM
hmmm...i wonder what the kitchen knife was doing there on the table

hehe....I got so excited when the boxes showed up….I grabbed the closest sharp object that could cut tape :mischeif: :thumb:

Jojo1971

Thanks for the mod ideas! :thumbs:

Mrs. B
03-31-2004, 09:43 AM
the reason the wife likes her box is cause he can't touch it! The computer that is.

Jim
03-31-2004, 10:35 AM
the reason the wife likes her box is cause he can't touch it! The computer that is.

:eek:

RotorHead
04-03-2004, 10:48 PM
Hehe…I see Mrs. B has been checking up on me again!! :look:

Be afraid…..Be very afraid…..She is a card carrying member of the Wives Network. :hide:

Anyway, back to the task at hand. As I said earlier, I was going to let this system break itself in for a while. It’s been running at stock speed for about a week now, with absolutely no problems, so I figured, what the heck, lets just crank it up to see what it will do.

First thing I did was to get into the BIOS and make a few adjustments.

1. Changed the memory settings from 2.5-3-3-6 to 3-3-3-7 thinking that the OCZ 3200EL likes the looser timings.

2. Set memory voltage at 2.75

3. Set CPU voltage at 1.60

4. Feeling a little froggy, I just cranked the FSB up to 240

Saved the settings and booted back up. Everything worked as advertised, running smooth at 2880. Idle temp was around 40c load temp was 50c, which isn’t to bad for the shuttle, from what I understand.

From there, I started turning it up 5Mhz at a time, I got up to 255 FSB and everything went south. Had to clear the CMOS, fire it back up and start over. This time I got up to 3033/253FSB, HT enabled, Turbo, 3-3-3-7, 1 to 1.

Rig Info (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/rigs.php?username=RotorHead&rig=B4F5872526000E)

As far as stability testing goes, I started 2 instances of F@H, and played about an hours worth of UT2003 without a hitch. The load temps went up a little to 53c, but everything was running fine, so I didn’t give much thought.

All in all, not a bad little over clock. I’m sure if I had these components on a different motherboard, I could get some better results, but I’ll take what I can get.

Let me get some games loaded up and I'll see what I can do with the 9600XT next.

:beer:

Jim
04-04-2004, 08:44 AM
Sounds great, a lot of power in a little box. :thumb: