Asus P4P800: Walkthru

[ThugsRook]

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/p4p800.gif

this is gonna be a "live" walkthru.

starting later this evening (already started) i will be posting my experiences on this new motherboard as i work thru it.
ill begin with installation, then move on to overclocking, tweaking the bios, and then stress testing.
i will be posting benchmarks along the way and will also post a p4g8x/p4p800 comparison for all you 533fsb chipped ppl out there.
of course ill be debugging any problems i come across along the way too. (which should prove to be interesting in a live thread)

feel free to comment or ask questions as i go along ~ but please read the entire thread before posting a question

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header graphic -by PiLsY thx! :wave:

[RotorHead]

Cool, this will be interesting !

:beer:
RH

[ThugsRook]

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/p4p800_box.gif

THE BOX

this part is pretty simple so i may as well get it out of the way before i start.

the box is typical Asus and comes with everything youd typically need for the install. (except SATA convertors)
here's (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-131-459-04.JPG/13-131-459-03.JPG/13-131-459-01.JPG/13-131-459-02.JPG) some pics of the board and all its accessories (from newegg.com)

pretty red SATA cables and black IDE cables are a nice addition, but i wouldve liked to have seen rounded IDE cables like the ABIT boards.
(not that it really matters to me cause i dont use the included cables anyways) ;)

layout is up next

[ThugsRook]

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/boardlayout.jpg

LAYOUT

again with the AGP slot blocking the memory modules!
why do they do this? :smash: (strike 1)

the rest of the board is laid out very nicely tho.

the chipset heatsink is different from the earlier ASUS models, it has thinner fins and the center section is raised. this means i cant easily mount a fan on it, so i didnt.
i did clean it up and applied AS3 to the chipset tho.
if its temps get too high i will use the HSF from my P4G8X since it is a proven quiet performer. (i also used it on my Abit IC7 board)

3 phase power regulation on this board ~ its gotta be better then the 2 phase on the P4G8X right? well see :)

look at all that onboard stuff!
i wont be using any of it :na:

installation is up next

[ThugsRook]

INSTALLATION

after checking all the jumper caps i installed the board. no problems there since it was replacing a P4G8X.
i used slots 2+4 for the 2x512mb memory sticks. (farther from the cpu heat ~ ill test slots 1+3 later on to see if there is a difference)
i put my nic in slot5 and my sblive5.1 in slot4 (to give my AGP card a wide berth)

next was my Swiftech MCX4000 HS....
its a tight fit, very tight.
the fan header on the right of the HS becomes useless and i had to bend one of its pins to give it more clearance. (dont want it to touch the HS!)
its also a tight fit on the left side against the capacitors. i can barely get a piece of paper between them.

its on, but its a tight fit. (strike 2?)

everything else plugged in very nicely.

time to boot her up and get this thread moving....

[ThugsRook]

TEST SYSTEM

P4 2.53B C1
Kingston HyperX 3000 2x512mb (cas22261)
Swiftech MCX4000 | 92mm fan
WD800jb | Enermax 550w | SBLive5.1
GF4 ti4600 | @320x714 | Det 43.03 | Win98se | DX9a

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1st BOOT & OS INSTALL

the system fired right up and by design hit a checksum error forcing you to hit F1 to enter the bios.
hey! this is a new bios! these boards have an AMI bios ~ neato :-)

i set everything up to defaults, disabled everything im not using (which is pretty much everything) saved and exited.
plenty of overclocking options listed in there. some im not even sure what they do yet, but ill figure them out.
for more info on whats in the bios you can download the PDF file here (http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/selectftp.aspx?l1_id=1&l2_id=15&l3_id=19&m_id=2&f_name=e1226_p4p800.pdf)

booted to a floppy disk to install Win98se, (no wisecracks!) and proceeded to install the OS but could not complete it.
i even wasted my time playing with every bios setting in there but to no avail.

anyways, after i updated the bios to v1006 i was on my way.
(note: there is no IAA for Win9x on these boards ~ dont forget to enable DMA manually!)
OS fully loaded, benchmarks installed, disk has been defragged.

NOTE: this thing boots fast! youre gonna have to be a FPS marksman to get into the bios! :eek2:

time to get some baseline scores and then overclock it.....

[ThugsRook]

OVERCLOCKING

for simplictiy sake i am only going to post 3dmark2001 results for now. (bigtoe said hes tired of all the charts) ;)
i highly suggest running alot more then just 1 benchmark to prove your results.
for all you chart lovers out there ~ there will be plenty of those when i get to the P4G8X comparison.

also, please keep in mind its not my scores that matter ~ its my progress that matters.

i in no way claim these results to be 100% stable. i wont be able to prove any results til i get to the stress testing part of this thread.

all tests run on default voltages and settings.
cas is a pathetic 2.5-4-4-8 by spd.
(ill get to tweaking later)


> 3DMark2001 <

2553mhz 133fsb = 13258
3173mhz 167fsb = 14549
3325mhz 175fsb = 14948
3401mhz 179fsb = 15030


im gonna hold it steady here @ 179fsb in anticipation of my P4G8X comparison. (179fsb was what i got out of my chip on that board)
of course i will try for more later, but this will save me quite a bit of time and is a solid place for me to tweak the bios.

i better run Prime95 for an hour tho before continuing.....
ill post my temps and such

:wave:

[Tony]

Awesome work as usual Thugs...when your fiished i would edit the thread and make it sticky.

[pastorjay]

Whew!!! Nice so far Thugs... I am finding the same things here... will post in my thread... but I like this board so far..Asus may have gotten my confidence back...

[ThugsRook]

> Prime95 @ 179fsb <

Idle / Load
room temp = 75*f
cpu temp = 27*c / 42*c
board temp = 32*c / 37*c

vcore = 1.584 / 1.536
12v = / 12.038
5v = / 5.134
3.3v = / 3.36


this is a bit confusing (temps)
on my P4G8X things looked very different....

Idle / Load
room temp = 76*f
cpu temp = 42*c / 57*c
board temp = 32*c / 33*c


something to think about eh?
needless to say it passed a 1 hour loop of P95.

bios tweaking is coming up next.....

:wave:

[Thor]

Nice work TR!

Yes, the temps are lower on the P4P800, or the P4G8X read them higher. :scratch:

[ThugsRook]

both boards have a 15*c "swing" from idle to full load.....

i donno, prolly both are wrong and its somewhere inbetween :scratch:

i think the 5*c lower cpu temp then board @ idle is a dead givaway something aint quite right.

[jhites]

Originally posted by Thor
Nice work TR!
Yes, the temps are lower on the P4P800, or the P4G8X read them higher. :scratch:
Same - Same with the my P4C800 and P4G8X
The temp reading with everything the same except the board shows P4G8X 10-15C higher full load.

[oldfart]

I've given up on temp readings. I went from an Albatron 845PE that showed CPU idle of 17C to the Abit IC7 that reads 47C idle. I think the only board I ever had that was accurate was the EPoX 4BDA2+.:rolleyes:

[Duvie]

I agree!!! stability is pretty much my key now and I pay no attention to them other then differential readings..Ie from last week at 60f to today at 100f!!!

I sit back and let Intels thermal protection do its job....

[ErikaeanLogic]

do I even have to say "Great work, THUGS!"? naw, didn't think so:)

with regard to the temps, you're gonna love this: I went from a P4P800 non-Deluxe to a P4P800 Deluxe (I got used to having the Firewire port for my iPod on the P4G8X;)) and my temps skyrocketed! I, like you, thought that the temps looked askew on the low side on the non-Deluxe, but the Deluxe is has got my load temps ~10C higher! I think that the true temps are somewhere in between. on the other hand, the northbridge on the Deluxe seems to be dumping major heat; the non-Deluxe seemed to run cooler to the touch.

can't wait to read the rest, buddy, so hurry up!:wave:

[ThugsRook]

ok ppl ~ i have something serious to discuss here.
something is lying in a big way.
ill post the comparison and you decide for youself wth is going on here...

1) P4G8X 179fsb cas 2-2-2-6-1
2) P4P800 179fsb cas 2.5-4-4-8-? (all lame defaults)

> 3DMark2001 / Sandra Unbuffered <
P4G8X = 15782 / 2418-2491
P4P800 = 15031 / 2929-2536


there is definately a huge flaw here somewhere.
im gonna retest using Aida32 ~ BRB.

<EDIT> wow, ok this is getting uglier (these results make sense)

> Aida32 < (read / write)
P4G8X = 4764 / 1192
P4P800 = 4515 / 1674


we definately have a conflict when transforming Sandra memory bandwidth into actual performance.

[oldfart]

Heh Sandra....I thought we threw that thing away @ AT?? I'm not into any synthetic benches. Looks like Aida32 (Sandra clone)is no better. I dont use my PC for running mem benches. They really dont mean much to me. Just test with some real apps and forget the synthetic stuff.

[LastRide]

This board does boot up like lightening.I had to go in the bios to slow it down so I can pause the screen to see what bios come with the mobo.Hope you do some comparisons with 1007 bios later on.By the way thugs you have 1.536 vcore listed.Is that suppose to be 1.525?.I get the same idle as you 1.584V

Edit. I see now,thats what your getting in Prime95 with Prime fluctuations during testing.Your getting the same as me .06 basically overvolting.Others have reported a slight overvolt,hmmmm.

[ThugsRook]

oldfart ~ i was hoping to use a membench during the bios tweaking part of this thread, but i can see now that it would be a waste of time.

not only are these comparisons flakey ~ they are wildly bloated!


LastRide ~ i will be testing 1007 eventually.

my vcore is set to auto at the moment ~ that should be 1.525v.
the voltages i posted earlier are viewed from PCprobe in windows. (the usual overvolt)

:wave:

[oldfart]

Hurry up and finish with it! Then send it my way. I'd really like to see how it stacks up against my IC7! ;)

[Mikki]

Thugs, I really dig the layout of the thread...:D

As far as the temps, I'm getting a bit annoyed with that...I don't understand why different boards flux, I mean, cpu temp is read off the die itself so why are there different readings between boards? If a manufacturer can't take a reading from a sensor which is already in place and display it accurately, how can you trust them to do important things like deliver non-fluxing voltage? :mad:

As far as the score difference, wth????? :?: :scratch: :look:

[shoman94]

Thugs...the problem there is that your running 4,4 in those cas settings. Those 2 settings effect your read bandwidth tremendously.

[LastRide]

Mine is running 24C CPU and 23C mobo reported by Asus probe..LOL.The bios reads 27C CPU and 24 mobo.Those are some crazy numbers.This is at 280 FSB with my 2.4C.:confused:

[ThugsRook]

shoman94 ~ well yea the Aida32 results dont seem to be a problem.

but the sandra unbuffered? no wonder all you 800+fsb guys are getting such high scores ~ cause they are BS!
even my own scores get stupid on springdale.

ill keep chuggin along using the Aida32 membench for the rest of this thread. well see if we can get it to "fail" us too :deviltail


Mikki ~ thx :-)

[Mikki]

Originally posted by shoman94
Thugs...the problem there is that your running 4,4 in those cas settings. Those 2 settings effect your read bandwidth tremendously.
I would say that they affect bandwidth but I don't see how they could give you a crazy jump on one benchmark and a crazy fall on another...something is amiss here and I don't think it's timings....:)

[shoman94]

hmmm..true Sandra is sad....check this...

Sandra @ 2.5,7,3,3
2652/2667

Sandra @ 2.5,7,2,2
2824/2815
Big jump...:confused:


AiDA32 @ 2.5,7,3,3
R=5023
W=1832

AiDA32 @ 2.5,7,2,2
R=5065
W=1867

Seems I've been using Sandra too much lately.....
Keep up the good work......

[ThugsRook]

i will be returning to this topic after i have tweaked the bios so we can see a direct apples to apples comparison. (cas settings)

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by shoman94
hmmm..true Sandra is sad....check this...
<snipped>
actually your scores are fine.
what im trying to point out is what i guess ill call "the springdale effect" on sandra.

why is its scores so much higher when its performance is obviously much slower?
this also means that ALL of those springdale/canterwood results you have seen are also unrealisticly bloated. (bait and switch) you get the numbers you wanna see, but not the performance! :smash:

more to come on this .....later :yummy:

[Tony]

Use memtest 86 to measure your bandwidth..its old and doesn't lie;)

[ThugsRook]

ok so thats what we are left with?
booting upto M86?

hehe ~ okay makes sense :wave:


sorry i got rather sidetracked yesterday on this.
bios tweaking will get started in a bit

:wave:

<EDIT> i forgot to mention ~ the ASUS instant boot menu is F8 on this board (not esc)

Memtest86 bandwidth @ 358ddr
Cas 2.5-4-4-8 = 2131mb/s
Cas 2.0-2-2-6 = 2494mb/s

[ThugsRook]

BIOS TWEAKING - Part 1

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/biosadv.gif
(screenshot was taken using bios v1005 and does not reflect bios v1006)

here's where im starting from ~ all lame defaults, yuck! :wack:
lots of stuff to play with in there so lets get started with the big guns 1st.....

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> Bios Options <
FSB = 100 - 400
AGP/PCI lock = 66, 72, 80mhz
mem ratios = 4:5, 1:1, 5:4, 3:2
vcore = 1.525 - 1.95v
vdimm = 2.55 - 2.85v
vagp = 1.5 - 1.8v
cas = 2225 - 3448

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* the score to beat from my P4G8X = 15782 :deviltail


> 3DMark2001 --- Memtest86 bandwidth <

Cas 2.5-4-4-8 = 15031 --- 2131 mb/s
Cas 2.0-2-2-6 = 15539 --- 2447 mb/s
MAM enabled = 15705 --- 2494 mb/s


its getting closer ~ plenty more bios tweaking to come.....

:wave:

[Mikki]

Not long to go...:D

[oldfart]

How did you get that BIOS screentshot?

[ThugsRook]

......from the pdf file :look:

[oldfart]

Oh....I thought you had a new trick! :rock: :rotflmao:

[ThugsRook]

BIOS TWEAKING - Part 2

im not making any real headway.....(3dmark2001)

> Burst Rate <
4 clocks = 15705 *
8 clocks = 15716

> SDram Idle Timer <
Auto = 15705 *
Inf = 15702
0 = 15718
8 = 15701
16 = 15706
64 = 15693

> AGP Aperture <
64mb = 15705 *
128mb = 15709
256mb = 15708

> Spread Spectrum <
on = 15705 *
off = 15713

> ICH Delay Transaction <
on = 15705 *
off = 15693

> MPS Revision <
1.1 = 15705 *
1.4 = 15714


there are some small gains, but nothing really worth keeping as of yet.
i did keep the 128mb AGP ap and reverted everything else back to default. (* = default)

still plenty more to come.....

[ThugsRook]

BIOS TWEAKING - Part 3

> AGP/PCI Lock <
Auto = 15709
66mhz = 15693
72mhz = 15779
80mhz = 15834 <----unstable :!:


* my score to beat from my P4G8X = 15782

looks like the agp lock works perfectly @ 179fsb :)

still more bios tweaking to come....

[shoman94]

The downfall there is if you ever use the SATA's you'll have to lock it at 66mhz.

[ThugsRook]

good point.
but for the sake of this comparison vs P4G8X it is a valid tweak ~ my P4G8X was also running a 80mhz AGP lock.

im still searching for more performance in the bios too.

:wave:

[pastorjay]

Nice Thugs... not much gain as of yet, but you did beat the p4g8x score.

[Duvie]

This is a good read Thugs....enjoying it very much....

waiting to hear more about this bloated springdale numbers...I assume this is confirmed canterwood stuff as well???? Everyday I feel less and less bad about still running my i845pe chipset.....I still am not too far off....:wave:

[Radelon]

Thugs, here's something I just threw up on the boards from my testing with how Sandra, Dividers and Performance are related.

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=159

Maybe with that, it'll help understand some of the ideas being thrown around about that topic. I feel that it could somewhat be related to what you are seeing the with P4P800

[Mikki]

Originally posted by Duvie
This is a good read Thugs....enjoying it very much....

waiting to hear more about this bloated springdale numbers...I assume this is confirmed canterwood stuff as well???? Everyday I feel less and less bad about still running my i845pe chipset.....I still am not too far off....:wave:
Same here...:D

[ThugsRook]

80mhz AGP wound up being unstable so i dropped it back to 72mhz.
that puts my current score @ 15779 only a few points behind my P4G8X.

because i finally hit an instability i took a break and ran M86 for 10 loops using my usual C-1-2-2-3-0 combo options. (all 11 tests cache ON)
wall time for all 10 runs was under 5 hours for 1024mb of ram....
thats fast!

0 errors of course ;)

still more bios tweaking to come....

* please note ~ for the moment im only trying to match my P4G8X. this setup may yet be able to get more out of my hardware.
....and its doing very well ~ im very impressed its gotten this far.

:wave:

[Skully]

Good read buddy! I'm at 272fsb stable, 2.6c @ 3537 on my P4P800D.

[ThugsRook]

before i forget to post this..... lets play a game.

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/bioshd.gif

whats wrong with these default settings for a IDE HD? :scratch:



hint: smart should be off and 32bit should be on for best performance

:wave:

[jhites]

Talk about a growth experience.

After years of overclocking, I have always just left the bios to auto-detect
for Primary/Secondary and went right into tweaking everything else.

Excellent guide Thugs.

[Ardy]

Bios 1007 gave me over 500 point boost in 3dmark 2001:yummy:

[ThugsRook]

500 huh? :yummy:

tempting

[Ardy]

Only thing with 1007 is I can't get past the 2nd test in memtest even at defalt settings and the most relaxed memory settings.I've ran prime for hours,but it's a no go on Memtest.

[Tony]

Thugs
Give this utlity (http://www.x86-secret.com/Download/mbench.zip) a look at and see what you think.

[shoman94]

BT...I like it........
---- MBench (C) ver 1.0 (Feb 2002) ----
---- System memory benchmark ----
---- www.x86-secret.com ----

Intel Pentium 4 (CPUID = f29) @ 3293.2MHz
Instruction set support : MMX SSE SSE2

Access latency 70.8 ns (233 clocks)

Read datarate (INT) 3433 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 1836 Mb/s

Read datarate (MMX) 3695 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 1822 Mb/s

Read datarate (SSE) 4715 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 4935 Mb/s



Edit: typo

[Ardy]

That ran without a problem.

---- MBench (C) ver 1.0 (Feb 2002) ----
---- System memory benchmark ----
---- www.x86-secret.com ----

Intel Pentium 4 (CPUID = f29) @ 3221.7MHz
Instruction set support : MMX SSE SSE2

Access latency 72.6 ns (234 clocks)

Read datarate (INT) 3491 Mb/s
Write datarate (INT) 1619 Mb/s

Read datarate (MMX) 3783 Mb/s
Write datarate (MMX) 1621 Mb/s

Read datarate (SSE) 4764 Mb/s
Write datarate (SSE) 5636 Mb/s

[ThugsRook]

BIOS TWEAKING - Part 4

again not making any real headway.....(3dmark2001)

> CAS <
2-2-2-6 = 15779
2-2-2-5 = 15783

> Burst Rate <
4 clocks = 15779
8 clocks = 15760

> Dram Refresh Rate <
Auto = 15779
15.6u = 15763
7.8u = 15729
6.4u = 15799 <---- this looks pretty good tho
64T = 15418


still more to come.....

[LastRide]

Keep it coming Thugs.;)

[Tony]

Thugs,
I just benched the P4P800 at 250fsb 1:1 cas2-6-3-3 in 3dmark and compared it to the Aopen AX4SPE Max at 250fsb cas2.5-6-3-3 and its 400 points lower over 3 runs.This is with the 1008beta.

I can clock further with this bios as they have relaxed the memory...but is sure looks like the Asus has lost the speed crown.

[ThugsRook]

hmmm interesting.
i wont bother with the 1008 beta then. im still gonna try the 1007 tomorrow.

i personally feel there is alot more power in these boards, but they need bios revisions and maybe even driver revisions to get the best out of them.

the funny thing about this review is how impressed i am with my P4G8X!
for a mutt of a motherboard that got nothing but bad press ~ it sure can hold its own against springdale/canterwood when using a OCed 533 cpu.

:-)

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by bigtoe
Thugs,
I just benched the P4P800 at 250fsb 1:1 cas2-6-3-3 in 3dmark and compared it to the Aopen AX4SPE Max at 250fsb cas2.5-6-3-3 and its 400 points lower over 3 runs.This is with the 1008beta.

I can clock further with this bios as they have relaxed the memory...but is sure looks like the Asus has lost the speed crown.

I've been running the 1008 bios and have compared some quick bench results I took at 280fsb (on a 2.4C) with SPD timings (2.5-4-4-8), take a look:

3DMark2001SE

1007 - 16,642
1008 - 16,837

UT2003 Benchmark (1024x768)

1007 - 210.5/89.2
1008 - 211.8/91.3

These results don't say much except that I'm experiencing a 1-2% gain on these 3D benches.

[presents fellow forum members with accompanying grains of salt];)

[Tony]

I flashed back to the 1007 and gained speed..maybe the 1007 just suits my ram better:confused:

[ThugsRook]

its amazing how every single one of you guys running 200+fsb are getting completely different results.

BT ~ thx for the software but its too late to play with it. im not gonna reinstall my granite bay to see how well that bench does.

how come noone has found this Sandra bug before me?
i mean i just got here (springdale) im only running a 533fsb cpu and i sniffed this out in a couple days.

:scratch:


<EDIT> Aida32 membench isnt truely accurate either, but it does make some sort of sense

> Aida32 read/write --- 3DMark2k1 <
Granite Bay = 4764/1192 --- 15782
Springdale = 4577/1699 --- 15766
Canterwood = 4589/1255 --- 15707

[ThugsRook]

im not getting anywhere with further bios tweaking.
im gonna flash to bios v1007 and see if it does anything for me.....

[jhites]

Over at AT there seems to be some ppl with problems on the P4C800 and the TI4600 graphics cards on earlier bios revisions. Asus was/is working on a bios revision which may be this 1008 beta. Wonder if the P4P800 may be experiencing some speed and other issues also due to this.

[ThugsRook]

i have yet to encounter any bugs on this board.
(im using a ti4600)

:wave:

[pastorjay]

I am anxiously waiting your test of the 1007 bios Thugs... I have a wedding this weekend, and so my time is limited. Can you imagine have 2 Raptors ready to install and no time to do it? I may not get to until next week!

PJ

[ThugsRook]

well this ended very quickly.

bios v1007 is highly unstable for me, but heres the results.....

1006 = 15766

1007:
Auto = 15803, retest failed
Turbo = 15673, retest failed
Standard = failed, retest failed

back to 1006 for me

<EDIT> ill try 1008.001 beta first ;)

[ThugsRook]

:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

bios v1006 = 15766
bios v1007 = 15803 <--- unstable

bios v1008.001:
Auto = 15557
Turbo = failed, retest failed
Standard = 15983 ...:wave: hello!

i guess ill work with this bios for awhile :yummy:

[pastorjay]

YES!!!!!!!!:rock:

[ThugsRook]

TEST SYSTEM
P4 2.53B @ 3.4ghz 179fsb
Kingston HyperX 3000 2x512mb (c2226/MAM)
Swiftech MCX4000 | 92mm fan | AS3
SBLive5.1 | WD800jb | Enermax 550w
GF4 ti4600 | det 43.03 | Win98SE | DX9a

* all voltages are on default

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BENCHMARKS

* 1008 = Standard performance mode

> 3DMark2001 <
1006 = 15766
1008 = 15997


> UT2003 Demo < 1024x768x32, flyby --- botmatch
1006 = 197.3 --- 86.9
1008 = 198.3 --- 88.5


> Quake III v1.32 < 1280x1024x32
1006 = 238.1
1008 = 238.5


> Aida32 MemBench < read - write
1006 = 4577 - 1699
1008 = 4954 - 1702

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with scores like these, wth needs 200fsb? :deviltail

:wave:

[RotorHead]

Way to go thugs! You think you can get some more out of it?

:beer:
RH

[ThugsRook]

maybe~

i still havent done any tweaking to this bios yet.
(other then the new "Performance Mode" option)

thats next ;)

[RotorHead]

:rock:
:D <======(hehe...Rock on!)

[ThugsRook]

finally! (16k)
http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/16000.gif

[ErikaeanLogic]

Congrats! So what's yer secret weapon?:rock:

Have tried a higher o/c than 179 fsb yet:?:

[Mikki]

Cool!!! Nice round score, never saw one like that before....:D Congrats!!

Since the memory bench score is about the same in the bios comparison, yet the graphics benchies are all favoring the 1008 bios, do you think it was a ti4600 problem like jhites mentioned?

:)

[ThugsRook]

Mikki ~ yea really, doesnt get much rounder then that ;)

Erik ~ no secret weapon. not one bios adjustment is worth didly squat! i just got lucky and got a few extra points on that one run.


anyways, like i said bios tweaking was again a wash ~ not even worth posting the scores.

ill post the Granite Bay vs Springdale comparison in a little while, then ill give a better explaination of what bios settings im currently using

:wave:

[ThugsRook]

> DivX 505 < (lower is better)

bios v1006 = 11.02 mins
bios v1008 = 11.14 mins

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?:


<EDIT> :!: RESOLVED :!:

[Mikki]

:scratch:

[ThugsRook]

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/p4p800_tn.gif - - - http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/p4g8x_tn.gif

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEST SYSTEM

P4 2.53B @ 3.4ghz 179fsb
Kingston HyperX 3000 2x512mb
Swiftech MCX4000 | 92mm fan | AS3
SBLive5.1 | WD800jb | Enermax 550w
GF4 ti4600 | det 43.03 | Win98SE


SYSTEM SPECS

ASUS P4G8XD Granite Bay
1.525vcore / 1.5vagp / 2.5vdimm / cas2226 / Turbo

ASUS P4P800 Springdale
1.525vcore / 1.5vagp / 2.55vdimm / cas2226 / Standard / MAM


--------------------------------------------------------------------------

BENCHMARKS

* P4P800 results have been updated using bios v1008.001

> DivX 505 < (lower is better)
P4G8XD = 11.01 mins
P4P800 = 11.01 mins


> 3DMark2001 <
P4G8XD = 15782
P4P800 = 16005


> UT2003 Demo < 1024x768x32, flyby - botmatch
P4G8XD = 197.3 - 86.5
P4P800 = 198.4 - 88.9


> Quake III v1.32 < 1280x1024x32
P4G8XD = 238.8
P4P800 = 238.9


--------------------
* dont take too much stock in these memory scores ~ cause they dont mean chit!


> Aida32 MemBench < read - write
P4G8XD = 4764 - 1192
P4P800 = 4962 - 1707


> Sandra MemBench < buffered
P4G8XD = 4600 - 4586
P4P800 = 4564 - 4260


> Sandra MemBench < unbuffered
P4G8XD = 2418 - 2491
P4P800 = 2993 - 2838

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

:wave:

[Mikki]

Those divx times are bugging me...:confused: And the memory scores are just plain loopy....

Where'd you get the P4G8X pic? :)

[ThugsRook]

yes Mikki i am just about ready to go off on another serious rant :smash:

(but i think ill wait for ErikaeanLogic to join me) :na:

>>> pics are on the moboards cds

[Tony]

what we need is to be able to get into the registers and apply a few tweaks..im sure there is more speed to be found.

First we need to get past Intels little firewall to make it happen:mad:

[ThugsRook]

BIOS SETTINGS

Smart Monitoring = disabled
32bit Data Transfer = enabled
Dram Frequency = 266 (1:1)
AGP/PCI Lock = 72/36mhz
AGP Voltage = 1.6v
Performance Mode = Standard
Cas = 2-2-2-6
MAM = enabled
AGP Aperture = 128mb
Power Managment = disabled
ICH Delay Transaction = disabled

SATA/Audio/LAN/USB/Serial/Parallel/Midi ports = disabled

everything else is set on default/auto settings.
bios tweaking proved to be futile.

:wave:

[Duvie]

Well one thing I have always noticed with my Divx testing is that the bandwidth does not mean a whole lot at same speed. I would have assumed with the score being flipped other way though....

I guess it is in the neglible range but something to wonder about...What exactly did this bios revision do????

reviewing those Aida acores from 1006v to 1008v really have me confused...that was a big leap to go back other way in time...

How many runs do you make on it thugs??? I usually make 2 runs and only accept less then 1% difference or I run 3 times and average. I don't usually see much movement and for that short of a test 15sec would be almost major...I would only see like 2-4sec on a 5-6min test...

[ThugsRook]

all my testing in this thread has been triple checked.

divx scores never varied by more then 1 second tops.

as you can see within my testing comparisons in this thread ~ benchmarking scores are very tight on this board and dont vary hardly at all.

the board is very solid, but the bios is still screwy ~ very screwy if you ask DivX ;)

[ThugsRook]

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/ssshd.gif

because of no IAA? :beat:
i was getting close to 33k on my p4g8x


<EDIT> :!: RESOLVED :!:

[ThugsRook]

honestly ~ do you really think i could get more out of this chip (on def vcore) just because im on a P4P800?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

TEST SYSTEM

P4 2.53B C1
Kingston HyperX 3000 2x512mb
Swiftech MCX4000 | 92mm fan | AS3
GF4 ti4600 | det 43.03 | Win98SE


SYSTEM SPECS

1.525vcore / 1.5vagp / 2.55vdimm / cas2226 / Standard / MAM

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

BENCHMARKS

> 3DMark2001 <
180fsb = 16077
181fsb = 16100
182fsb = failed


> UT2003 Demo < 1024x768x32, flyby - botmatch
180fsb = 198.7 - 89.5
181fsb = 198.9 - 90.0


> Quake III v1.32 < 1280x1024x32
180fsb = 238.8
181fsb = 239.2


> Aida32 MemBench < read - write
180fsb = 5015 - 1722
181fsb = 5033 - 1733


> Sandra MemBench < unbuffered
180fsb = 3026 - 2870
181fsb = 3043 - 2886

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

but is it stable? :scratch:

stress testing is coming up next.....

:wave:

[Flamer]

very cool review thugs:beer:

Even though the springdale seems to be beating out your e7205 board on 3dmark it is good to see that granite bay can still hold it's own against the new stuff.

[ThugsRook]

thx Samcolt :-)

speaking of kewl reviews ~ ErikaeanLogic is posting a rather interesting thread on the effects of Performance mode VS cas/MAM settings here (http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=170) (@ 200+fsb)

i like the idea of this, and since i couldnt run "full on" Turbo mode im gonna investagate how far turbo mode can go for me.

i also need to work on the IDE HD problem :look:

[oldfart]

I think you are seeing the loss of IAA :( I didn't test with Sandra, but also see a slowdown as compared to my 845PE HDTach scores. I'm still hoping Intel comes out with an IAA for these boards for IDE drives.

What are the performance modes available? Are they similar to the IC7?

Ultra
Turbo
Fast
Disabled

[ThugsRook]

(WD800jb 8mb cache)

in bios....

ICH Delay Transaction = enabled
http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/ssshd.gif


ICH Delay Transaction = disabled
http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/ssshd_fix.gif


http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/lsmile.gif <--- big smile

[ThugsRook]

oldfart ~ performance modes are...
Auto
Standard
Turbo

dont let them fool you tho ~ many ppl (like me) are claiming "standard" to be the fastest option.

:wave:


<EDIT> the HD problem may have been responsible for my odd DivX result ~ i will retest.

[ThugsRook]

looks like that Delay Transaction = disabled did the trick. DivX scores are back to where they should be.

P4G8X = 11.01 mins

P4P800 v1006 DT on = 11.02 mins
P4P800 v1008.001 DT on = 11.14 mins
P4P800 v1008.001 DT off = 11.01 mins


i updated the "P4G8X vs P4P800" comparison, and also placed "resolved" markers in the posts where i discovered the 2 problems.

right now i think my only concern is moboard temp, and ill be getting to that soon enough.


lookin good again :wave:

[Mikki]

Yeah, that's better...well done figuring that out....;)

[ThugsRook]

Duvie will be very interested to see this fix.

he's been wondering for some time what kind of effect HD performance can have on encoding .....(since it is reading & writing very large files at the same time)

:wave:

[Mikki]

Hehe...ya got those Raptors coming or what? :p;)

[Flamer]

thugs,

what divx thing are you using i would like to try it :) and could you please run some super pi so we could see the times:)

[ThugsRook]

im a little unsure if/how ICH5R will work in Win98se....
for the price i wouldnt want the performance to be "comprimised".
other wise yea id be interested in Raptor SATA Raid

:deviltail

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by samcolt
what divx thing are you using i would like to try it :) and could you please run some super pi so we could see the times:)
im using DVD2Avi v1.76 OGO ~ its not exactly a beginners program but i like its results. (it is not a all in 1 program, its only part 2 of my 4 part process)

super pi does not run on Win98.

:wave:

[Tony]

super pi does not run on Win98.

You sure?..it was writen years ago..well before xp and win2k

[ThugsRook]

more then sure ~ it can run every test except 32k :( (or something like that) i will check it again tho......


<EDIT> it cant run 32M

http://home.comcast.net/~d2rook/p4p800/spierror.gif

[Mikki]

hehe..."In order for this to work, you must install the Computer Geek language pack. Would you like to install the language pack?"

:p:rolleyes:

[ThugsRook]

LOL Mikki!

internet options/advanced/disable (2) install on demand :rotflmao:

-------------------

thru PM someone wanted to know if MAM works on non-800fsb cpus.
let me assure you, it does.

(repost from earlier in the thread) @ 179fsb

no MAM = 15539 --- 2447 mb/s
yes MAM = 15705 --- 2494 mb/s


am i making the 533fsb cpus look attractive again or something?

:wave:

[Mikki]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
LOL Mikki!

internet options/advanced/disable (2) install on demand :rotflmao:
lol! :lol: :D

[pastorjay]

Not that "Tom's" is the greatest source, but the fact that PAT was still activated for 533fsb chips was how these board makers werea ble to "re-activate" it for the 800fsb chips on the 865pe. Intel had only disabled PAT for 800fsb on the 865's.

PJ



Originally posted by ThugsRook
LOL Mikki!

internet options/advanced/disable (2) install on demand :rotflmao:

-------------------

thru PM someone wanted to know if MAM works on non-800fsb cpus.
let me assure you, it does.

(repost from earlier in the thread) @ 179fsb

no MAM = 15539 --- 2447 mb/s
yes MAM = 15705 --- 2494 mb/s


am i making the 533fsb cpus look attractive again or something?

:wave:

[Ardy]

So what does the MPS Revision choices do in the chipset catagory:confused:

[ThugsRook]

no clue Ardy :look:

didnt do anything for performance

[Tony]

PJ PAT isn't working on 865 for 533 and 400fsb chips as a few chipset register options have to be switched on also.

This is why Intel stopped us playing with wpcredit with this chipset.

[ThugsRook]

is there a reason why intel cares enough to do this?

or are they just getting too buddy buddy with MS these days?

[pastorjay]

Well, If I remember right, that is what Tom's said was the reason Asus found the "backdoor."

PJ


Originally posted by bigtoe
PJ PAT isn't working on 865 for 533 and 400fsb chips as a few chipset register options have to be switched on also.

This is why Intel stopped us playing with wpcredit with this chipset.

[prometheus]

As interesting as your review is, Thugs, I think anyone will be hard pressed to find any real justification with a 533 to move from a Granite Bay to Canterwood/Springdale. I'm hopeful you can at least ease our minds that it's a move that won't cost 533 owners in performance.

Once ANY 533 owner runs an 800 through it's paces they won't look back to a 533. As much fun as I had with a SL6RZ on Canterwood, when I finally popped in an 800 I wondered what I was thinking and why it took me so long to get an 800 chip. Subjectively, Canterwood/Springdale behaves like a different board with a 800FSB chip.

[ThugsRook]

Prom ~ i still dont find 800fsb worth going to.
give me an ATI vid card and ill match your scores anyday.
and all on much simpler less expensive hardware that runs less voltage.

800fsb chips and memory are a big mismatch right now.
i wont be interested in them til i can get a 17x mplier with 1mb cache for $200.

granted my 2.53b is a very special chip, but hey, this is where im at ;)
and im not alone.....

some of the 800fsb OCers aint even running as fast as me anyways :na:

:wave:

[ThugsRook]

are there any 800fsb OCers out there that still run a NV vid card?

id be very interested in your benchmark scores.....

TIA :wave:

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
Prom ~ i still dont find 800fsb worth going to.
give me an ATI vid card and ill match your scores anyday.
and all on much simpler less expensive hardware that runs less voltage.

800fsb chips and memory are a big mismatch right now.
i wont be interested in them til i can get a 17x mplier with 1mb cache for $200.

granted my 2.53b is a very special chip, but hey, this is where im at ;)
and im not alone.....

some of the 800fsb OCers aint even running as fast as me anyways :na:

:wave:

Wow, there's alot in that last post! I'll let Prometheus sort out that comment about score-matching;). I'd say that it would be interesting to see what the benefit of running HT will be when ripping DVD/DiVx/MP3. That is most likely where you're going to see a gain which would merit the change over to the 800 chip (which has been shown in previous reviews, consistently; don't worry, I'll prove it, too:)). I'll agree with you that there is not yet good enough memory for us lower-end 800 chip users to realize the full potential of 865/875 just yet, but in multimedia-based performance a 533 cpu is no match for an HT chip. From a cost perspective, you are right: there is no point in upgrading unless you drop major coin; even then the step up may only be marginal at best. Speed freaks on the 3DMark Top 10, for example, will get a golden 2.6C <ahem, Prometheus;)> or spring for a 3.0C and some OCZ EL3700 Gold. The clearest message I've read in all of these posts is that, from a pre-845E/PE system, Springdale would make a relatively inexpensive platform to run a 2.4/2.6C at 3.3GHz. Feature-laden, powerful, useful, and ready to withstand upgrade-itis (but let's face it: folks with pre-845E don't get upgrade-itis, lol!) until the end of the first run of Prescott.

[/rant]:wave:

[ThugsRook]

Erik ~ you are forgetting that Win98 has no HT support.
you are also forgetting im running a very simple def voltages overclock on air. nothing more.

i am awaiting your HT comparison :-)

[oldfart]

What is the actual Vcore on the P4P800? Does it have the typical Asus overvolt? How much Voltage swing Idle/Load?

As far as price goes, I dont think the Springdale looks all that bad compared to a G-Bay setup.

Newegg:
P4G8X $156
P4P800 $123
IS7 $99
2.4C Tray $175
2.4C Retail $183

Outpost.com
2.53 Tray $169

Ram...same for each.

G-Bay total
$325

865PE total
$275 - $306

[ThugsRook]

there is no longer any reason to even concider P4G8X.
the P4P800 is a better board for 533fsb cpu OCing.


> Prime95 @ 179fsb < Idle / Load

default vcore = 1.584 / 1.536

[prometheus]

That's where it looked like you were heading, Thugs. It's got to be reassuring for those who plan to continue using 533 chips for a while that you found they will get the best performance with a P4P800.

Here's an ATI 3DMark2k1SE and compare link done ON AIR on an unmodified vid card.

http://home.rochester.rr.com/hessfink/21101.jpg

Compare link at http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6486349

I am STILL waiting for the OCZ 3700GOLD samples, and with that memory I am certain I can significantly improve on these scores. These are not even with the fastest BIOS.

Don't make too much of my 3.0 here. If there were ANY chance of 1:1 memory that would match where a 2.4 or 2.6 will go, that would be what I would have. But, after a lot of mem testing, it is clear 1:1 IS the best performance option and the best chance of a max OC with 1:1 mem is definitely the 3.0 right now.

[ThugsRook]

wow thats an awesome score :eek2:

did either you or BT get a chance to run any of your golden 533 cpus on the P4P800? id be extreamly interested in just how closely they compare.

you guys gotta realize - im already running 3.4+ghz, and my "P4M syndrome" days are behind me ;)


anyways,
i had to raise the vdimm to 2.65v to get 181fsb 100% stable :(
vcore is still on 1.525v tho.
(there goes my "all default voltages" line) ;)
trying for 182fsb now.....

:wave:

[prometheus]

Unfortunately, my P4P800 is now gone as is the SL6RZ. I do have some scores of my golden SL6RZ at 194FSB 1:1 on an IC7 on the slower 1.1 BIOS:

Sandra Buffered: 4724, 4732
Sandra Unbuffered: 2721, 2730

Of course there is no PAT/MAM kick-in with a 533FSB.

Also have a 20,854 compare link done on the P4P800. I could never quite get to the IC7 results with the 1.007 BIOS but these are vey close at http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6549046 I supect 1.008 would get me at or over the 21,101.

Just to bring things current I HAVE an Abit IS7 BIOS that has PAT and will be testing that board early this week. The IS7 WITH ICH5R and Firewire is only $109 for those wanting a low-cost 865 with some features and PAT. The AOpen also has a beta PAT BIOS, and I am told Albatron has just shown a BIOS for their 865 with PAT.

We now need to look at the 865's that do have PAT to see which will do the most for the least. Intel CAN"T be happy about this turn of events ;)

[ErikaeanLogic]

WOW :look:

[ThugsRook]

We now need to look at the 865's that do have PAT to see which will do the most for the least. Intel CAN"T be happy about this turn of events
its about time the moboard makers did what they wanted with the chips. it "seems" like theyve been on a tight leach with some of the past chipsets.

[ThugsRook]

* 2.65v vdimm


> DivX 505 <
179fsb = 11.01 mins
182fsb = 10.48 mins


> 3DMark2001 <
179fsb = 16005
182fsb = 16563


> UT2003 Demo < 1024x768x32, flyby - botmatch
179fsb = 198.4 - 88.9
182fsb = 199.0 - 90.5


> Quake III v1.32 < 1280x1024x32
179fsb = 238.9
182fsb = 239.6


> Aida32 MemBench < read - write
179fsb = 4962 - 1707
182fsb = 5060 - 1741


> Sandra MemBench < buffered
179fsb = 4564 - 4260
182fsb = 4664 - 4354


> Sandra MemBench < unbuffered
179fsb = 2993 - 2838
182fsb = 3059 - 2901

:wave:

[Mikki]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
its about time the moboard makers did what they wanted with the chips. it "seems" like theyve been on a tight leach with some of the past chipsets.
It's sickening to think of what we could have right now if it wasn't for politics....:mad:

Darn nice scores Thugs, I think you're making your point quite well....;):-)

[pastorjay]

Very nice results Thugs. Makes me wish I still had my "golden"
2.53 to test in this board....

PJ

[ThugsRook]

the DivX stress testing VS Prime95 issue has finally been resolved for me.

it does not exist on this motherboard.
Prime95 is again the final word in my stability.

(DivX and m86 said 182fsb was ok - prime95 said it wasnt)

id say anyone finding that Prime95 is not the final word on their system, is looking at a moboard limitation ~ possibly voltage regulation.

:wave:

[Tony]

Thugs
NONE of the major motherboard manufacturers believe Prime95 to be anygood.I spoke to Aopen and Gigabyte about this and they say it just puts too much strain on a system and is NOT to be trusted.

Thats why I belive a good 8hr encode is far better than prime.

[ThugsRook]

bigtoe ~ you dont have to tell me! ;)
ive been preaching DivX over P95 since i was back on my P4B533.
but it seems things have returned to P95 being the "tougher" test for me on this board.

if i wanted to run some quick experiments, id use P95 to "quick" test it before going the whole 9 yards.

:-)

[pastorjay]

Thugs and all... there is a good read at [H] on the P4P800. It also seems that Kyle hints to the Abit IS7 as being faster yet...''We will see. If I remember correctly, Prom has an IS7 review coming this week...

PJ

[ThugsRook]

the reason why i do believe this is because i was basicaly forced to only run def voltages on my p4g8x. adding more of anything did nothing for me.

on this board that is not true ~ i can add voltages and run benchmarks upto 185fsb.

i was most definately looking at a moboard limitation on the P4G8X.

[Thor]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
the DivX stress testing VS Prime95 issue has finally been resolved for me.

it does not exist on this motherboard.
Prime95 is again the final word in my stability.

(DivX and m86 said 182fsb was ok - prime95 said it wasnt)

id say anyone finding that Prime95 is not the final word on their system, is looking at a moboard limitation ~ possibly voltage regulation.

:wave:

:D I second this. Not a be-all, end-all to testing stability but definately should not be counted as an "unreliable" test.

[ThugsRook]

BTW: when i was testing 182fsb ~ P95 errored out in less then 15mins whereas DivX and m86 went for 5 or so hours before i said thats enough.

prime95 is tellin me something and i aint gonna ignore it ;)

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
the DivX stress testing VS Prime95 issue has finally been resolved for me.

it does not exist on this motherboard.
Prime95 is again the final word in my stability.

(DivX and m86 said 182fsb was ok - prime95 said it wasnt)

id say anyone finding that Prime95 is not the final word on their system, is looking at a moboard limitation ~ possibly voltage regulation.

:wave:



I'm still experiencing the strangest phenomena: no matter which cpu I use, 3-3.5GHz is as high as it will clock; the 2.4B I have, which runs at 3474GHz (1.6Vcore on my P4G8X), will not play ball at all! I can get to like 3GHz on the P4P800 with it, that's it:(! I have an Antec TruePower 550, and all of the rail voltages are pretty much spot-on throughout benching. The Vcore fluctuates quite a bit, but the others pretty much stay the same (percentage-wise). Any thoughts?

[Thor]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
Prom ~ i still dont find 800fsb worth going to.
give me an ATI vid card and ill match your scores anyday.
and all on much simpler less expensive hardware that runs less voltage.

800fsb chips and memory are a big mismatch right now.
i wont be interested in them til i can get a 17x mplier with 1mb cache for $200.

granted my 2.53b is a very special chip, but hey, this is where im at ;)
and im not alone.....

some of the 800fsb OCers aint even running as fast as me anyways :na:

:wave:

No, it's because you're still running Win98SE. :p :p

[muskiemouth]

Originally posted by bigtoe
Thugs
NONE of the major motherboard manufacturers believe Prime95 to be anygood.I spoke to Aopen and Gigabyte about this and they say it just puts too much strain on a system and is NOT to be trusted.

Thats why I belive a good 8hr encode is far better than prime.

I wish the MB makers or someone could elaborate on "puts too much strain on a system and is NOT to be trusted".

I don't understand "Too much strain". Shouldn't a system be able to run any program, thats not doing destructive stuff like reconfiguring chip voltages, timing etc. Is this strain causing damaga to the board? Is my warrenty void if I mention I was running Prime95 ?

"Not to be trusted" Why ? Is it randomly declaring failures to spite MB manufacturers.

I do allot of video processing and I have ran s/w video encoders (for many hours, sometimes 20) that put my CPU temperature 2-3 higher than C higher than Prime95 will, yet on the same config Pr95 might last 10Minutes ????????

I won't deny that it is stenuous, this may sound unbeleiveable, but may ANTEC 380 TruePower starts making noise (whining almost sounds like the noise you hear when you call a fax machine, lower ampllitude) when I run P95, no other apllication including encoders, burnK7, SetI causes this even though some of those push the CPU temp higher.


?????????????

[shoman94]

but may ANTEC 380 TruePower starts making noise (whining almost sounds like the noise you hear when you call a fax machine, lower ampllitude) when I run P95

That's a sign that your PSU is to small for your system....Time for a 430w+

[ThugsRook]

im just finishing up a few odds and ends @ 181fsb (100% stable) then im gonna work on the moboard chipset heat problem.
its reaching 40*C under full load and it already has AS3 on it :look:

ive got a beefier heatsink from my P4G8X to play with and a nice 40mm fan to slap on it.

:wave:

[pastorjay]

Thugs... Ya think maybe the heat is the reason for Prime Failing for ya? [H]'s article expressed a concern over the heat. I have yet to really pay much attention to mine, but I will tonight...

PJ

By the way, I get an Avatar now! Hehe...

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by pastorjay
By the way, I get an Avatar now! Hehe...

hey, me, too! :beer:

[ThugsRook]

PJ ~ that aint an avatar, its a mug shot! :na:

yep im thinkin heat.
if i cant change the temps with my mods tho ~ its not heat.

could be as simple as a single bios setting to correct it (like the HD/divx issue) thats why these things can take time.

this will end up being the longest review ever to exist ;)
what day is it today?
its only day 4?
seems longer ;)

my P4G8X thread is still going after 4 months. of course my last entry was a link to this thread :-)

:wave:

[pastorjay]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
PJ ~ that aint an avatar, its a mug shot! :na:


hehehe... I don't see anyone else brave enough to post their own pic... why don't you Thugs? Come on... I dare ya!

:na: Back at ya!!!

[ThugsRook]

what are you talking about?

that is my own pic! :na: (arent i cute?)

[pastorjay]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
what are you talking about?

that is my own pic! :na: (arent i cute?)

:rotflmao:

[Mikki]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
what are you talking about?

that is my own pic! :na: (arent i cute?)
mine isn't a pic, just a self-portrait....;):deviltail

[Tony]

I have posted my pic for ages ;)

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by bigtoe
I have posted my pic for ages ;)

BT, you look like a Union Jack??:na:

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
BIOS SETTINGS

Smart Monitoring = disabled
32bit Data Transfer = enabled
Dram Frequency = 266 (1:1)
AGP/PCI Lock = 72/36mhz
Performance Mode = Standard
Cas = 2-2-2-6
MAM = enabled
AGP Aperture = 128mb
Power Managment = disabled
ICH Delay Transaction = disabled

SATA/Audio/LAN/USB/Serial/Parallel/Midi ports = disabled

everything else is set on default/auto settings.
bios tweaking proved to be futile.

:wave:

What happens if you set the DRAM Frequency to DDr333?

[ThugsRook]

DDR333 is 4:5 ratio. (or at least it was on the 1006 bios)

i get a black screen this high up the fsb.

im gonna play with it later to see if its worth anything for debugging ram.

:)

[ErikaeanLogic]

aha. . .:rolleyes:

[ThugsRook]

Prime95 testing ~ temps taken at exactly 30mins into test.

Stock HS, AS3 = 40*C
P4G8X HS, AS3 = 39*C
+40mm fan = 39*C

id say its a lost cause.
the granite bay chipset is almost 50% larger then the springdale.
thats the only excuse i can think of. (except the possibility its just plain wrong)

:)

[pastorjay]

Thugs... did you ASIII the NB on the p4p800?

[ThugsRook]

yes of course ~ i applied AS3 before i even installed the board and again when swapping the NB HS.

[pastorjay]

My bad... I did not read it correct... I knew you usually ASIII'd it...

PJ

[Mikki]

Looks like it's just reporting it wrong...:rolleyes:

[ThugsRook]

looks like its time to play around with the memory slots and test out how well some XMS3200LL runs on this board.

:)

[pastorjay]

Originally posted by Mikki
Looks like it's just reporting it wrong...:rolleyes:

I'll have to check mine tonight... I do know that my CPU temp is always lower on this board than the sys temp, which is unusual. Had that happen on the Aopen 875 as well. [H] said their's was VERY warm to the touch... WIll have to "touch" mine tonight and see how hot she is...

[pastorjay]

Now we're talking... get that mem tuned bro... I will have some HyperX 3500 by weeks end to test along side my OCZ...

PJ


Originally posted by ThugsRook
looks like its time to play around with the memory slots and test out how well some XMS3200LL runs on this board.

:)

[dbwillis]

Nice results Thugs!

[ThugsRook]

nothing much to report here.
results were pretty even.
(tested @ 180fsb for absolute stabilty)

slots 1+3 = 16078
slots 2+4 = 16077

all other benchmarks followed this example.

:)

[ThugsRook]

4:5 ratio (333ddr) does not work (its still 1:1)


turbo is slower then standard
(@ 133fsb)

turbo = 14160
standard = 14191


gonna try some XMS3200LL next......

[Duvie]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
the reason why i do believe this is because i was basicaly forced to only run def voltages on my p4g8x. adding more of anything did nothing for me.

on this board that is not true ~ i can add voltages and run benchmarks upto 185fsb.

i was most definately looking at a moboard limitation on the P4G8X.


I agree and I think you and I discussed this briefly that the problem arose when we moved past default vcore on the board...For me it surfaced as soon as 1.55-1.58v.....

I think mobo limit can definitely be a possibility as we were really taking this pe chipsets into the realm of 3ghz plus in which I don't think they were intended to...ie the new phase changes in the newer mobos....

[LastRide]

PJ,nice stash and beard:rock:.By the way I am testing with the new prime95 beta version 23.

[pastorjay]

Hehe... thanks! Like my Halo.... hehe.... that was for Mikki

[LastRide]

At first I thought it was a halo,but then come to the conclusion it was a pic of the sun in the background.Should have known wih the white seperation around your head.Thanks for clearing that up.:)

Originally posted by pastorjay
Hehe... thanks! Like my Halo.... hehe.... that was for Mikki

[Mikki]

Originally posted by pastorjay
Hehe... thanks! Like my Halo.... hehe.... that was for Mikki
;):deviltail :look:

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by pastorjay
Hehe... thanks! Like my Halo.... hehe.... that was for Mikki


I like Halo, too; can't wait for it to come out on PC:na:

[ThugsRook]

this did not work out as expected and my test results are most likely invalid. (nothing i can do about it)
because i am using different size memory modules, and the way win98 works, 1024mb has an advantage. (i think)

with that being said, here are the results @ 180fsb:

2x256mb 5ns XMS 3200LL = 15995
2x512mb 6ns KHX 3000 = 16078


overall this could be nothing new as 6ns ram has been faster then 5ns ram for quite some time. (figured that out back in my p4b533 days)

[Mikki]

Thugs, out of curiousity, what vdimm did you use for each? :)

[ThugsRook]

KHX = 2.65v
XMS = 2.65, 2.75, 2.85 (scores didnt change)

on the XMS....
turbo = ran but is slower then standard
dr refresh rate = no change
SDr idle = no change

swap file tweaking = 1024mb min was best as usual
vcache tweaking = no tweak is best as usual

explored all avenues = no change

:scratch:

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by Duvie
I agree and I think you and I discussed this briefly that the problem arose when we moved past default vcore on the board...For me it surfaced as soon as 1.55-1.58v.....

I think mobo limit can definitely be a possibility as we were really taking this pe chipsets into the realm of 3ghz plus in which I don't think they were intended to...ie the new phase changes in the newer mobos....

there is also another possibility/factor..... P S U

[LastRide]

Thugs,you have the M1 Tiger chipset NB cooler heatsink and fan?.I remember you mentioning it was a POS but atleast you can attach a fan to it.I have a Vatec Iceberg copper cooler but I have to use adhesive to use it.

[Thor]

Hey LastRide!

Did you MCH cooler work better for ya? Post some temps. Thanks!

[pastorjay]

I just put my Tiger fan on the NB chipset... Was kinda tricky, and I had to bend some fins, but it worked...

[ThugsRook]

like PJ said the p4p800 HS is tricky to get a fan on.
thats the reason why i switched to the p4g8x HS 1st. the fan easily mounts on that.

but it does nothing ~ so i removed it. (the fan)

:)

[pastorjay]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
thats the reason why i switched to the p4g8x HS 1st. the fan easily mounts on that.[/B]

Hehe... wish I still had the HS from the p4g8x... but that was like... oh, 6 boards ago... hehe :D

[LastRide]

I'm talking about this thing here that has the 4 clips to use on NB's that have the 4 rings.I thought you had one. A1163 Tiger 1 Chipset Cooler (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Bigfoot&Product_Code=1417HSTT&Category_Code=0040)

[pastorjay]

Originally posted by LastRide
I'm talking about this thing here that has the 4 clips to use on NB's that have the 4 rings.I thought you had one. A1163 Tiger 1 Chipset Cooler (http://www.bigfootcomputers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=Bigfoot&Product_Code=1417HSTT&Category_Code=0040)

That is the one I have as well...

[Skully]

I have an open case as my water rig is an outside the case setup. So it was easy for me to put a 120mm blowing on the north chip. Went from 95f to 82f. This is on the P4P800D mobo! :)

[LastRide]

pj,is it any good?.I know thugs said adding a fan didn't help him at all.HardOCP reached a higher FSB using an active cooling on the NB.Only way to find out is try I guess,but I doubt it will help.

[ThugsRook]

yes i have that ~ i use its fan, but obviously its not doing anything. maybe a stronger 50mm fan would be better. at least i can mount a fan easily now if i find one worth using.

even if i do get the temps down, thats no guarentee that ill get a better OC, just a better temp.

:rolleyes:

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by Skully
I have an open case as my water rig is an outside the case setup. So it was easy for me to put a 120mm blowing on the north chip. Went from 95f to 82f. This is on the P4P800D mobo! :)
i will try a 92mm fan i have layin around ....in a small pile of 92mm fans :rolleyes:

is that at idle or full load?
i idle @ 35*C / 95*f

[MrMajestyk]

Must say this thread is an awsome read.:-)

And there I was, just about to order the P4P800, when the IS7 rears it's head.

Nice to be spoilt for choice innit ? :p

[LastRide]

MCX4000 heatsink and Panaflo 92mm "HIGH" fan.At 270FSB with 2.4C.
idle CPU 25C and MB 26C :look:
Prime95 load- CPU 38C (half hour) MB (Cant' remember :D )


Originally posted by Thor
Hey LastRide!

Did you MCH cooler work better for ya? Post some temps. Thanks!

[LastRide]

Just a note.I ran prime for 2 1/2 hours without errors.I switched from the blue memory dimm sockets to the black ones for dual channel and errored out in 15 seconds:confused:.I applied AS3 on the NB while I was at it.

[ThugsRook]

LastRide's last post leads me to believe that the NB temps sensor is highly effected by the CPU fan. perhaps the sensor is located in a very stupid location.

on the P4B533 and the P4G8X the NB temp was actually a moboard temp. even then the mobard temp sensor was located far from the NB below the agp card. (as far as i was able to find anyways)

perhaps the same is true here and we are just chasing a stupid temp sensor and not the actual NB temp.

if im hot ~ 800 fsb shouldnt run. but insted they have the same temps i do. go figure.....


thx MrMajestyk :D

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by LastRide
Just a note.I ran prime for 2 1/2 hours without errors.I switched from the blue memory dimm sockets to the black ones for dual channel and errored out in 15 seconds:confused:.I applied AS3 on the NB while I was at it.

thx buddy :wack: :wack: :wack:
i will now be testing blue slot stability @ 181fsb.
happy now? :yummy:

:wave:

[pastorjay]

My NB temp idles at 26c

[ThugsRook]

PJ ~ i think ErikaeanLogic would tell you that the P4P800 and the P4P800-D are very different.

[pastorjay]

Got it... for some reason I thought you had the deluxe Thugs... where have I been! :wack:

[LastRide]

Give the blue sockets a try.I fired up prime again and never errored out so far 15 min.I got a hardware error when it errored in 15 seconds.I am using the beta version of prime.This is whack.:scratch:

[ThugsRook]

np PJ

altho he hasnt said anything yet, he has both boards and noticed major personality differences in them.

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
PJ ~ i think ErikaeanLogic would tell you that the P4P800 and the P4P800-D are very different.

GRRRRRRRRR:beat: :smash: :eyepop:

:scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch: :scratch::scratch: :scratch:

[ErikaeanLogic]

Apparently, I'm not the only one with my problems. You can read about it here (http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=461859#post461859) :(

[ErikaeanLogic]

by the way, bios v1008 beta 3 is out and can be had here (ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/Socket_478/INTEL_Chipset/i865pe/P4P800/)

HTH:)

(third post's the charm, right?;))

[LastRide]

Bah,your just trying to up your post count:chit: J/K.I tried the 1008.002 hoping it help my cold boot problem and get me higher FSB but its a no go.No idea what it added as of yet.

[ErikaeanLogic]

heh, busted:na:

man, my P4P800D is so fubar'ed that I'm gonna try the IS7:twisted:

[LastRide]

If the IS7 will give me 300FSB I'm in.:-)

[ThugsRook]

Originally posted by ErikaeanLogic
Apparently, I'm not the only one with my problems. You can read about it here (http://www.abxzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=461859#post461859) :(

i replied in that ABX.com thread.

:wave:

[ErikaeanLogic]

yes you did, show-off:na:

Enough of my problems, where are you at today:)?

[ThugsRook]

today i will using a handheld 92mm fan to find out where the moboard temp sensor is.

then im gonna somehow possition it to blow on the NB and see if it helps. (i dont think it will help me, but it may help the 800fsb OCers)

there is also a new beta 1008.003 bios to play with.
ill wait for some other reports 1st tho.

looks like there are major issues with the Deluxe boards.
perhaps something todo with the additional hardware and the agp lock?

Erik? any progress? did you try Win98 mode yet? (hehe ~ jk, altho it may work)

[pastorjay]

Hmmm.... I have the deluxe, what issues should i be experiencing. If I am not getting the total experience that I paid for, then I am gonna be hacked! Hehehe....

:-r

[ThugsRook]

im sorry PJ ~ im taking context for granted.
the Deluxe boards are having major issues for 533fsb OCers above 165fsb.

before i get to the fan tests im gonna test the stability of ram slots 1+3 to see if there is any difference from slots 2+4.

:wave:

[pastorjay]

I knew what ya meant man... I was just being silly!

PJ

[Thor]

Patiently waiting for NB cooling and latest bios test results.....




:D :D

[ThugsRook]

an interesting side note here ~

Prime95 is agreeing with Memtest86 100% on all accounts.
both tests say yes and no at exactly the same places. (fsb, voltages, etc)

DivX is able to run 1fsb past actual stability.
benchmarks can run 3fsb past actual stability.

:rock:

[pastorjay]

Very interesting find Thugs...

PJ

[ThugsRook]

ya know what that tells me PJ?

im on the bleedinedge of my memory ;) -hehe

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
ya know what that tells me PJ?

im on the bleedinedge of my memory ;) -hehe

hey, THUGS, you pretty pun-ny; anyone ever tell you that? :na:

[ThugsRook]

this is a strange one.....

looks like mem slots 1+3 require 2.75v whereas 2+4 only needed 2.65v.
im not saying this will be true for everyone, but those are my results so far.

:)

[jhites]

Seems like, I remember Eric or someone mentioning that the Blue slots did better than the other. So, are yours just the reverse??

[LastRide]

I errored (rounding error) 1 hour into prime on my second try on the A2 & B2 black dimm sockets compared to 15 seconds on the first try of prime.I'll switch back to A1 & B1 blue sockets and see if I get to the 2 1/2 hour point no errors on prime before shutting it down that I achieved last time.Thugs,are you using the beta version of prime?.Looking forward to your results to see if you find a difference on the blue sockets as I did.

[ThugsRook]

im using official p95 22.121.

let me put it this way.... (simple 1 hour test)

blue slots failed p95 using 2.65v in under an hour.
trying 2.75v now.

black slots passed p95 @ 2.65v.

i will be just as thorough as you and will recheck the black slots again also.

[Mikki]

Thugs, I know you've already got this sorted and have no interest in this at this point, this is just g-whiz stuff and might be worth a try later on in conjuction with other tests.

In the white papers for the chipsets, Intel did a study for the heatsinks. Of course, since the mobo manufacturer may put a different one on, this may not apply. Anyway, my point is this: Intel did a study and found that the most effective position for the NB heatsink fan is blowing across the heatsink in a specific direction (I believe it's toward the cpu but I can't remember). :rolleyes:

I had intended on doing some testing with this but I don't have the time. Anyway, there ya go....:P

[LastRide]

Mikki,I was reading the review of the P4P800-D over at HardOCP and they put a squirrel fan on blowing at an angle as you mentioned.They were only able to achieve 245FSB and once they put the squirrel fan on they hit 275FSB.Here is the link below check it out.The first pic in the second row click on it.
Squirrel Fan (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDg0LDY=)

[LastRide]

Past an hour into prime and still going:) .Seems the blue sockets are the way to go for me.It even states on page 2-10 at the bottom of the P4P800 manual to use the blue sockets first.In my case its best.Since Asus Germany has been releasing all these new bios updates I been all flash happy lately.I guess I'll give the 1008.003 a go:rock:.Just ordered a dual channel kit of of 256MB OCZ PC3700 Gold.

[ThugsRook]

blue slots failed p95 on 2.75v.
so basicly the blue sockets failed me.

im gonna retest black slots right now.

[LastRide]

Shoot,I should have mentioned I am using 2.65 Vdimm on both blue and black.:blush:

[Thor]

My comp won't even boot at 2.65vdimm.

Check out Abit's new IC7-G Max2 MCH HSF. Much beefier.

http://www.64bits.se/recensioner/ic7-g/flansar.jpg

[ThugsRook]

well i figured id try to add vdimm to see if it would clear it up ~ it didnt.
blue slots failed.

retesting black slots now.
starting @ 2.55v even tho it needed 2.65v last time.

:)

<EDIT> if youre losing track of whats going on right now, dont worry ill recap when im done.

[LastRide]

I wonder what other differences are on the Max2.I'll wait for a review.

[ThugsRook]

ill take the black slots ;)


> Prime95 < 1 hour loop

black slots
2.55v = passed

blue slots
2.55v = failed
2.65v = failed
2.75v = failed


looking more and more like 533 and 800fsb OCing is very different on these boards.

:wave:

[LastRide]

Your probably right 533 and 800 FSB chips have a different effect on the dimm slots used and in OC'ing in general.I am running the 1008.003 bios right now.I haven't done testing on the previous bios's so I don't know if its faster or slower.It seems stable for me.I am running prime right now.

[ThugsRook]

http://home.attbi.com/~d2rook/p4p800/fantest.gif

not exactly the most scientific test i ever ran.....

anyways, splitting the board into four different areas i used a 92mm fan to see how each area was effected.

board temp @ idle

open case, no fan = 33*C
purple = 32*C
blue = 31*C
red = 31*C
green = 30*C

* note: cpu temp went up when testing the red area

:-)

[LastRide]

Thugs,your PM box is full..LOL.That sucks where they put the floppy connector so close to the ATX plug.I had a tough time and had to first put in the floppy connector and then the ATX plug.I had to force it with some pressure.

[Tony]

Thugs
I did a little comparison for you all at 3028Mhz.2.4b sync and async and a 2.6C sync.All with TwinMOS pc3700 with the best timings i could run at the given speed.

Big pics so im just going to link them.

2.4B sync which is slowest (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ad.leach/Thugs/thugs%20sync%202.4b.JPG)

2.4B async which is quite nice (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ad.leach/Thugs/thugs%20async%202.4b.JPG)

2.6C sync which is best (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ad.leach/Thugs/thugs%20sync%202.6C.JPG)

Sorry no cpuz showing cpu speed they are grabs from my review.

Interesting?

On the AX4SPE Max btw

[ThugsRook]

how come my 4:5 ratio does not work?

id like to run some tests and debug some ram sticks.....

[Tony]

I will test the P4P800 nest to see if async works..im sure if it did for you you would see a jump im performance.

[ThugsRook]

thx BT :)

cant that 2.4b do any better then 3g 168fsb? :scratch:

[Tony]

I ran it there as i had benches off a 2.6C at the same final clock speed.The chip will do 188fsb but not on this board:(
Im going to post a max shortly async with the 3700 TwinMOS.

[ErikaeanLogic]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
not exactly the most scientific test i ever ran.....

You are a Scientist, LOL!:-)

Seems to me that's the Winbond monitoring chip, innit?;)

[ThugsRook]

Erik :na:

anyways i dont think the moboard temp is the NB temp.

:)

[Ardy]

So my P4g8x runs 3dmark 150 points less at DDR 358 than the P4P800 does at DDR 434 same timings......P4g8x shuts windows down in less than half the time......so I went back....untill something better comes along.:wave:

[ThugsRook]

shuts down?
i dont understand.

did you do a fresh OS reload?
all those ICH4 files left over from the p4g8x may be causing your probs.

my system shuts right off.
boots and reboots are the fastest ive ever seen.
no keyboard or mouse light staying on issues either.

:)

[Ardy]

Yep fresh install...P4g8x takes about 9 seconds from the time I hit start shutdown, P4P800 takes 22 seconds maybe an XP thing??

[ThugsRook]

its gotta be an XP thing.

honestly im not having any issues what-so-ever. (that i havent been able to fix)
nothing even minor to report, or i would have.

altho quite a few veteran overclockers have not been able to reproduce my results as of yet :(

:?:

[Duvie]

A sum up will be necessary......List it as facts and glitches would be helpful as well....

Do you think if I took my 2.4b to a p4p800 I wouldn't necessarily get more oc out of my chip but be more stable with programs above default vcore???

I could do prime95 at 3.33ghz (185fsb) with 1.68v but divx would not except anything above 3.3ghz with 1.71v and I pretty much wanted to stay below 1.65v with this chip. Sidenote looking back at my notes I did prime95 5 hours at 3.3ghz (183fsb) with 1.65v actual....ram can't do 4:5 at that speed but 2,2,2,6 with 1:1 still is nice at that speed....

[pastorjay]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
its gotta be an XP thing.

honestly im not having any issues what-so-ever. (that i havent been able to fix)
nothing even minor to report, or i would have.

altho quite a few veteran overclockers have not been able to reproduce my results as of yet :(

:?:

I thinkyou have done an awesome job Thugs! I wish I still had my 2.53 chip to throw in here and do some testing to see if I can match ya... but alas... it is gone!

2.6c on the way thouhg, should have her tomorrow!

And, the slower shutdown IS an XP thing... though mine only takes about 10 seconds to shut down

[ThugsRook]

Duvie ~ if you can get it to run past 165fsb (which was not an issue for me) you will get a better OC and much better performance.
even if only a few fsb ;)

i know there are a lot of ppl trying to reproduce my results on the p4p800 and the p4p800d, and cant. one managed to get to ONLY 171fsb. i dont understand why :scratch:

:)

[Duvie]

I would say my shutdown (which I rarely do, have nothing to test...feel sorry??? SEND MONEY!!! :-) ) is less then 10 seconds...usually when it has been longer it has been related to ram timings being too aggressive and later memtest86 showed it to be true.....I think it has something to do with clearing cache or dumping cache at the end...I don't know for sure...

[Duvie]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
Duvie ~ if you can get it to run past 165fsb (which was not an issue for me) you will get a better OC and much better performance.
even if only a few fsb ;)

i know there are a lot of ppl trying to reproduce my results on the p4p800 and the p4p800d, and cant. one managed to get to ONLY 171fsb. i dont understand why :scratch:

:)


What brand of PSU's are ppl using??? Are the amps on the 12v rail not enough???

[pastorjay]

That might be something to look at here...

[ThugsRook]

eventually this thread will get to the point that i myself will be looking at the PSU as a potential limit.

its kinda hard to find something that is actually better then a Emax550w tho :rolleyes:

[Ardy]

Originally posted by Duvie
I would say my shutdown (which I rarely do, have nothing to test...feel sorry??? SEND MONEY!!! :-) ) is less then 10 seconds...usually when it has been longer it has been related to ram timings being too aggressive and later memtest86 showed it to be true.....I think it has something to do with clearing cache or dumping cache at the end...I don't know for sure...

That would make sense.From my memory clockings above you can see my settings were much more aggressive with the P4P800.I don't have that option with the P4G8x.

[Duvie]

Originally posted by ThugsRook
eventually this thread will get to the point that i myself will be looking at the PSU as a potential limit.

its kinda hard to find something that is actually better then a Emax550w tho :rolleyes:

I agree...However on a lot of these systems listed I am seeing a lot of antec 430's and enermax 430's and in most cases I don't think the 12v is even over or just at 20amps....

[Duvie]

Originally posted by Ardy
That would make sense.From my memory clockings above you can see my settings were much more aggressive with the P4P800.I don't have that option with the P4G8x.


have you ran a good memtest86 stressing on the memory to make sure there are no errors???

[ThugsRook]

there is no way i would trust a 430w past 3g no matter how many ppl claimed it can. id rather spend the $ and have the power.

:)

[Duvie]

I agree...I wish I had more and I know I will possibly need it when I push for 3.6 to 3.8ghz with possible a 2.6c or 2.8c chip in a few months....:wave:

[pastorjay]

More Power!!!


Arrhhhh Arrrhhhhhh Arrrrhhhh!

:D

[Duvie]

What are you running for power PastorJay???


I think we need to start taking a poll on what ppl are running power wise for these asus mobos...maybe we can get enough data to see something.....

[pastorjay]

Mine is a Vantec Stealth 520

Pics Here (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=17-103-473-02.JPG/17-103-473-03.jpg/17-103-473-04.JPG)

More info Here (http://secure.newegg.com/app/specification.asp?item=17-103-473)

PJ