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Timber Jockey
09-27-2005, 06:04 PM
Which oneThe Best bench marking Software for everything ? ?

3D Mark 2003

Or

3D Mark 2005



The Question is I want to purchace one and which one is the best ??

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dr_hardware
09-28-2005, 12:19 AM
What do you mean by "benchmark for everything" ?

3D Mark Benchmark Series are related to VGA cards, not system wise.
You mean that you want an overall system benchmark ?

Timber Jockey
09-28-2005, 06:13 AM
:( Sorry :( Ya i would like to know which 3D Mark Benchmark Series is the best ?

And also which bench mark is great for the hole system

dr_hardware
09-28-2005, 10:40 AM
When talking 'bout 3D Benchmarks, it comes down to:

1) Benchmarks like 3D Mark03 / 3D Mark05...not that much system dependant
2) Real-life gaming benchmarks...yes your computers' gaming performance is: CPU, RAM, VGA dependant.

Real-life gaming benchmarks that I "like" :

a) AquaMark 3
b) 3D Mark2001SE
c) Gaming timedemos or with BenchEmAll ( games like: FarCry, The Chronicles of Riddick, Tomb Raider Angel Of Darkness, Doom III, BattleField 2, Splinter Cell CT/PT, etc... )

System benchmarks...I don't like all of them but...
a) FutureMarks' Corp PC Mark Series ( the 05 seems a bit better )
b) Passmark Performance Test ( not worth mentioning...totally **** benchmark... )
c) hmm... my mind's still in sleep mode ( just woke up :D )

RotorHead
09-28-2005, 11:03 AM
That is a little hard to answer TJ, due to the variety of systems out there. It's probably best to come up with a "suite" of benchmarks that can give you an overall picture of your system. One or two in game benches along with a good synthectic bench like 3DMark05 for graphics. Same goes for your system, somthing like Sandra for memory, HDTach for your drives, SuperPi for raw CPU stuff and then follow up with somthing like PCMark05.

This has been a major subject throughout the hardware community and the source of many heated debates. You've probably seen reviews on the major review sites that are 10, 15, 20 pages long and just packed full of different benchmarks. This is because the review sites don't want to be seen as favoring one peice of hardware over the other.

The best answer I can give is this, In order to see how the changes you've made to your system effect it's performance, which ever benchmarks you do decide to use, just be consistant with it. A good baseline is the key to knowing what you need to adjust, to get where you want to go with your system.

Timber Jockey
09-28-2005, 11:49 AM
Sorry to ask such stupid questions ( very new to benching marking pcs ) :(

Ok thx for the asnweres. I have used Super PI but i thought it was fr memory ??



Real-life gaming benchmarks...yes your computers' gaming performance is: CPU, RAM, VGA dependant

IS 3DMark 01Se, 03 & 05 good for gamming bench marks ?

Once again i am greatful for the help and sorry to keep asking really stupid questions.

dr_hardware
09-28-2005, 12:32 PM
sorry to keep asking really stupid questions.

We all did someday...
And you don't have to ask sorry.
We're replying to you because we want to... :)

From the 3D Mark series, if you're really looking into real-life gaming performance, I'd say 3D Mark2001SE goes clear :)

SuperPi = CPU mostly, and memory ( loves low latencies )

Timber Jockey
09-28-2005, 01:38 PM
We all did someday...
And you don't have to ask sorry.
We're replying to you because we want to... :)

From the 3D Mark series, if you're really looking into real-life gaming performance, I'd say 3D Mark2001SE goes clear :)

SuperPi = CPU mostly, and memory ( loves low latencies )

THX for all the help guys :rock: I will down load the trial ver of 3D Mark2001SE.

I thought that 2005 was better but you guys are the Professionals here :thumbs:

RubberDuck
09-28-2005, 03:13 PM
From the 3D Mark series, if you're really looking into real-life gaming performance, I'd say 3D Mark2001SE goes clear :)

I agree totally :rock: :thumb: :rock: :thumb: :rock:

Timber Jockey
10-10-2005, 02:12 PM
SuperPi = CPU mostly, and memory ( loves low latencies )

One LAst Question If you will :bow: :scratch:

Is Super PI a Memory Testing Program ( Only ) or Benching Marking program Or is it a Memory & CPU( Only ) Bench marking program/Testing Program ????

dr_hardware
10-10-2005, 02:25 PM
One LAst Question If you will :bow: :scratch:

Is Super PI a Memory Testing Program ( Only ) or Benching Marking program Or is it a Memory & CPU( Only ) Bench marking program/Testing Program ????

Hello again mate,

1st: you can ask as many questions as you want/need to :)
2nd now...:

SuperPi is a maths program/utility that calculates the given ( 1M, 2M, 4M, etc, user selections ) digits of the Pi number ( Pi aka π = 3,14xxxxxx ).
The processor ( CPU ) plays the most part of this, but still memory helps/stops us ( better ram = better performance... if RAMs not stable/giving errors due to overclocking/or being faulty ) pi stops with an error ).
The SuperPi can be used for benchmarking & CPU/RAM stability/overclocking testing.
Usually a "0.0001% unstable RAM" can't get past SuperPi 32M computation test.

If you're willing to check-out your CPU or RAM stability you should use the 32M Pi Calculation, and... if RAM testing = SuperPi 32M & Memtest
if CPU testing = SuperPi 32M & S&M & AquaMark 3

So SuperPi is a Benchmark & testing utility :)

Edit: To answer the "base" of your question:
No it's not only CPU or only RAM.If your RAM or CPU is unstable you'll get errors.

Timber Jockey
10-10-2005, 02:35 PM
Thx dr_hardware for the Quick responce :rock: and putting up with a pain in the :o arse :o

glorfy
10-11-2005, 01:41 AM
For gaming benchmarks, if you have a coupla systems to test/compare then there's nothing better than using real stuff, i.e. games. Doom and Far Cry or HL2 are my favorite, because the former favours Nvidia and the latter two ATI to give a bit of a rounded view.

Personally I do not like 3DMark 01 as it is more of a CPU/Memory test than just a straight forward GPU test - and its too old! Good as a system test though - but maybe still long in the tooth!

BGP Spook
10-11-2005, 05:50 AM
Sorry for piping in...

Something I am testing with Super Pi.
I establish a series of Pi calculations at 1M, 2M, and 32M (five for 32M and seven each for 1M and 2M) all with known 100% stable settings.
Then I start to OC in small increments comparing my average times and my average drift for each Pi calculation.

I think that as long as my times stay consistently better than the last stable settings then I have a stable OC. (I have yet to have a Pi calculation fail, BTW. Though I know I have run tests with an unstable system.)

This may be an erroneous idea. (I suspect it is since it seems to fly in the face of everything I have heard.)
But so far it seems to be true for me. (It may be because of my A7V600 motherboard with an AMD XP 2600 Barton.)

Any thoughs?

I posted this hear because I think it goes along with the thread. (That is procedures for benchmarks and such.)

Timber Jockey
10-11-2005, 07:26 AM
Thx guys for the help and all the responces :cool: :rock: .Now i know more than i did :thumbs: Thx again.

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