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Snafu
05-27-2005, 06:10 AM
A bit of a rant for this Friday morning.

Is it just me or does Norton practice shady marketing by praying on the fears of the unsuspecting?

I have used NAV System works for the past few years (I'll admit that I may not have known better 'til last year). This includes NAV as well as some Utilites. I have also installed Norton's Firewall.

Faithfully, I download updates, fixes, newer versions, whatever it tells me I need to update. I decided that enough was enough with Norton and the relentless fee to keep their proggy updated or the annual "new & improved" version (are annual versions really necessary?).

Anyways, all is fine with NAV and System Works for 364 days of the year's "subscription". On day 365 *BANG*. NAV starts popping up warnings about files being infected with Trojan-this or Trojan-that. Obviously concerned, I terminate teh net connection and start scanning with NAV. Luckily I was ready for Norton's little tricks and previously installed AVG and had it updated with current definitions. So I also ran AVG.

Now can y'all guess what both NAV and AVG found on my system? After searching through some 100,000 files/entries they both came back and told me that I was infected with NOTHING!!!

So WTF is going on here :scratch: ??? Why is a pop up window from NAV telling me files are infected with a Trojan virus if nothing is actually infected??? The nearest thing I can figure out is that this is a scam of Norton. I think it is still protecting your system (I am not 100% sure) based on the definitions it has but everytime it detects something a window pops up telling that a certain file was infected. The reason? IMO this is mainly a scare tactic to get you to renew your subscription or buy the Annual version of NAV. Basically a marketing scam to catch the less-informed for more money.

Here is another irk-some aspect of NAV. The Auto-Protect feature automatically disables itself with each boot. After booting your system you have to manually enabled the Auto-Protect feature at least once and more often than not I have had to enabled it at least twice before it woudl stay enabled.

Here is the last annoying bit. I receive daily reminders to renew the subscription. You can choose to have it remind you in 15 days (I will try this) BUT IT WILL NOT LET YOU TURN OFF THE ANNOYING REMINDER!!!

Now if this isn't a very cheesy way to make money then I don't know what is. They are nearly as low in my books as teh scumm that write the virus proggies to begin with.

From this experience IMO I think Norton really wants you to get infected. Why? So they can say "we told you to renew with us to keep your system safe" and collect some additional funds from you. What a crock! :rolleyes:

Although I woudl like to have NAV still running as a secondary AV program I am thinking of uninstalling every app that was installed with Norton System works. Mainly to be done with the annoying reminders and extra steps it takes to ensure that bloody thing still protects your system.

I am not sure how long I will keep it around. With a clean install I suspect I will loose all the wonderful updates and fixes that I downloaded over the year :beat: . So there is probably no reason to keep Norton around anymore.

What do ya think?

huncherman
05-27-2005, 07:16 AM
I agree with you, I think that Norton may be using scare tactics. No need to keep it. I don't like Norton either. My wife has it on her computer, but I'm using AVG on mine and think it is the best and least annoying AV program.

Underwater Mike
05-27-2005, 09:07 AM
I got rid of all Symantec products on my last reformat. NAV is okay but no better than AVG Free for my use. FYI, if you're looking at keeping NAV on your machine, CompU$A has a special on the Systemworks05/Internet Security bundle. It's free after rebate, so you wouldn't need to pay for a sub renewal.

Snafu
05-27-2005, 09:30 AM
Sounds like NAV and the rest of it is heading for the trash can. Thanks Mike for the tip :thumbs:

I was only thinking of keeping NAV around without renewing my subscription and only for a bit. Its definitions are still good up to the renewal date so it should screen out most viruses. I just wasn't sure where all the updates were stored to create a back-up in case I reinstall the OS and want to reinstall NAV (heck I paid for the year so I should be able to save the updates, no?). Maybe I will copy the entire folder to a CD or back-up drive and reuse the files in there if I decide to keep it around after a reinstall.

Hawk
05-27-2005, 11:12 AM
I only use NAV. . . :yup:

Underwater Mike
05-27-2005, 11:50 AM
Actually, if you do a complete reformat and reinstall, then install any of the Norton apps, the clock starts ticking again. That is, a complete rebuild from scratch (not an image restore) will get you another year. It's happened for me several times.

The only caveat is that Symantec supposedly stops allowing updates once an app is two years old. (So, for example, NAV from Systemworks 2003 won't be updatable past 2005.) Dunno if that actually happens, as I've never pushed the limit.

Hawk
05-27-2005, 12:18 PM
Faithfully, I download updates, fixes, newer versions, whatever it tells me I need to update. I decided that enough was enough with Norton and the relentless fee to keep their proggy updated or the annual "new & improved" version (are annual versions really necessary?).




I'd have to say yes, because their are newer virus's and exploits that attack the machine. The newer versions apply better algorithms to detection and also are faster and more relialble.

Remember, this applies to all of the virus proggies out there. McAffee and Trend do the same thing, renew to the latest to be totally Trojanised. . . . :yikes:

glorfy
05-27-2005, 12:57 PM
I'll be honest - I do not like NAV. I find it a resource hog, and it annoys me immensely with its continual popping up - its just so intrusive! I only want AV software to intrude on me if it finds something wrong, and if it truly does, then it can put big neon signs out - but puhlease, not until then.

Snafu
05-27-2005, 03:41 PM
Remember, this applies to all of the virus proggies out there. McAffee and Trend do the same thing, renew to the latest to be totally Trojanised. . . . :yikes:
So where a rubber :rolleyes: :lol:

Hawk
05-27-2005, 03:43 PM
So where a rubber :rolleyes: :lol:



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